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  • Gleason
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    Re: January 2009 issue

    Originally posted by tandfman
    Originally posted by Gleason
    T&FN now has more features & fewer results than it did 50 years ago when TN began, but TN always had more results than T&FN.
    That's what I thought. I was just confused when you said:

    Before then I had to search newstands for every newspaper to find results, then read TN a few days later and finally read T&FN full of results a few weeks later.
    That made it sound as if you read results in T&FN that you hadn't seen before, which would not have been the case if you subscribed to TN.
    Newspapers supplied some results, TN supplied ALL results, T&FN supplied more results than it does now with more features than TN, but fewer than now.
    Thanks for the question.

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  • tandfman
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    Re: January 2009 issue

    Originally posted by Gleason
    T&FN now has more features & fewer results than it did 50 years ago when TN began, but TN always had more results than T&FN.
    That's what I thought. I was just confused when you said:

    Before then I had to search newstands for every newspaper to find results, then read TN a few days later and finally read T&FN full of results a few weeks later.
    That made it sound as if you read results in T&FN that you hadn't seen before, which would not have been the case if you subscribed to TN.

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  • Gleason
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    Re: January 2009 issue

    Originally posted by tandfman
    Originally posted by Gleason
    Fanatics such as I now have eTN. Before then I had to search newstands for every newspaper to find results, then read TN a few days later and finally read T&FN full of results a few weeks later.
    Are you saying that there was a time when T&FN had more results than TN? Was that ever the case?
    NO. T&FN now has more features & fewer results than it did 50 years ago when TN began, but TN always had more results than T&FN.

    Six - deep results in every event of every major meet were common in T&FN in the 1960s.

    If my memory is correct, TN usually had 5% to 10% of the number of T&FN subscribers when I worked there..

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  • tandfman
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    Re: January 2009 issue

    Originally posted by Gleason
    Fanatics such as I now have eTN. Before then I had to search newstands for every newspaper to find results, then read TN a few days later and finally read T&FN full of results a few weeks later.
    Are you saying that there was a time when T&FN had more results than TN? Was that ever the case?

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  • Gleason
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    January 2009 issue

    Originally posted by gh
    Originally posted by vip
    ..... I bet the majority of hard-core fans and readers have already read the results and a summary and even watched highlights of those meets well before the mag comes out......
    Don't give up your day job and get into handicapping! :-)

    Seriously; you would be stunned to discover that many (maybe even most) T&FN subscribers are not wired into getting their track stuff via electronic means.

    You think we continue to publish as we do because we're stupid?
    I agree. When I was T&FN statistican my superiors said that most readers prefer features. I must admit that T&FN has improved 100% in the 41 years after I left.

    Color photos help, but the emphasis now is on results of major meets and features. Fanatics such as I now have eTN. Before then I had to search newstands for every newspaper to find results, then read TN a few days later and finally read T&FN full of results a few weeks later. Now I enjoy the features & "Big Picture" articles in T&FN at my leisure.

    We "hard-core fans" are much less numerous than "readers" IMHO.

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  • gh
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    Originally posted by vip
    ..... I bet the majority of hard-core fans and readers have already read the results and a summary and even watched highlights of those meets well before the mag comes out......
    Don't give up your day job and get into handicapping! :-)

    Seriously; you would be stunned to discover that many (maybe even most) T&FN subscribers are not wired into getting their track stuff via electronic means.

    You think we continue to publish as we do because we're stupid?

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  • Gleason
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    January 2009 issue

    Originally posted by gh
    Originally posted by vip
    .....
    A better suggestion would be a "Where are they now?" section. Whatever happened to the track stars of yesteryear and what are they doing? Ashford? Foster? Kingdom? Candy Young? I bet they'd be dying to recap their life during and after the applause stopped. What about it, TFN?
    When I started at T&FN almost 40 years ago writing just such a column for every issue was one of my first jobs. It was subsequently written by Wally Donovan, our Historical Editor.

    Reader surveys showed that it wasn't particularly popular, so we stopped.
    I agree & I'm even older than gh. I was at T&FN 1965 - 1967. I lobbied successsfully for a feature on Oerter-Sylvester-Babka in the DT then. Cordner wrote a great feature, but zero interest was the result.

    Surveys are fortunate to elicit responses from 10% of subscribers. Some local newspaper articles on "track stars of yesteryear" do appear in eTN. I recall few comments here on those articles.

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  • Dutra
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    Originally posted by DrJay

    Sports Illustrated did this for a few years, called it "Looking Back" and I enjoyed the column. Usually had "then" and "now" photos as well. I think they stopped doing it, probably not much focus-group enthusiasm for it, but I'd think much of the graying TAFNEWS contingent might receive such a column well. Could always try it for a few issues and see how it goes.
    I don't know about the photos based on some of these:

    http://2008olympictrialsakatommyleonard ... fly.com/22

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  • vip
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    I agree that a reader survey is needed. Plenty has changed in the publishing landscape, with the web and the rapid processing of information. While I'll be the first to say TFN does a good job in recapping meets, most of those meets are many weeks old by the time they appear in the mag, and I bet the majority of hard-core fans and readers have already read the results and a summary and even watched highlights of those meets well before the mag comes out.

    Sorry, that's just the nature of the modern-day information beast.

    So ... maybe TFN can do more of what other media outlets don't: features, investigative pieces, enterprising pieces, where are they now, etc. That's the void right now in track and field coverage.

    That's my 2 cents, although I don't claim to speak for everyone ... I'd be interested in what others think.

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  • DrJay
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    Originally posted by tandfman
    Originally posted by Brian
    I'll go on record as stating I have no interest in knowing who is now bald or has arthritic joints.
    Nor I. But it might be interesting to read about what some of yesterday's top athletes are doing now. What's their career? Family? Do they still run/jump/throw recreationally? Do they have any thoughts about current champions/record holders in their event?

    I think there's enough there to make a series of short features interesting. No need to get into ill health or the adverse effects of the aging process.
    Sports Illustrated did this for a few years, called it "Looking Back" and I enjoyed the column. Usually had "then" and "now" photos as well. I think they stopped doing it, probably not much focus-group enthusiasm for it, but I'd think much of the graying TAFNEWS contingent might receive such a column well. Could always try it for a few issues and see how it goes.

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by bhall
    Not sure it is of much interest to me but I'd rather see it in eTrack than use limited magazine real estate. Could also just be a side bar as things came up instead of a planned series (more ad hoc is my point).
    I agree on both counts.

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  • bhall
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    Not sure it is of much interest to me but I'd rather see it in eTrack than use limited magazine real estate. Could also just be a side bar as things came up instead of a planned series (more ad hoc is my point).

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  • tandfman
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    Originally posted by Brian
    I'll go on record as stating I have no interest in knowing who is now bald or has arthritic joints.
    Nor I. But it might be interesting to read about what some of yesterday's top athletes are doing now. What's their career? Family? Do they still run/jump/throw recreationally? Do they have any thoughts about current champions/record holders in their event?

    I think there's enough there to make a series of short features interesting. No need to get into ill health or the adverse effects of the aging process.

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  • Brian
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    Originally posted by gh
    Originally posted by vip
    .....
    A better suggestion would be a "Where are they now?" section. Whatever happened to the track stars of yesteryear and what are they doing? Ashford? Foster? Kingdom? Candy Young? I bet they'd be dying to recap their life during and after the applause stopped. What about it, TFN?
    When I started at T&FN almost 40 years ago writing just such a column for every issue was one of my first jobs. It was subsequently written by Wally Donovan, our Historical Editor.

    Reader surveys showed that it wasn't particularly popular, so we stopped.

    Not saying you should do this, mind you, but I'll point out that you now have an audience of baby-boomers who lived through the T&F haydays of Prefontaine/Pac-8, Munich and Montreal, plus the roadracing boom. If it means staying afloat, do what you have to do.


    But if this is an unofficial new survey, I'll go on record as stating I have no interest in knowing who is now bald or has arthritic joints. As far as I am concerned, you can please restrict the jaunt down memory lane to pictures that tie into today's headlines, like the relatively recent one of Bjorklund tied to the last time Minnesota won a big CC race, or a classic Penn Relays/Drake Relays shot. Kindly leave the prose to the interminably looking back folks over at Jogger's World.


    Give me features concerning the present and future stars/generations of our sport!

    Please. Or else I'll hold my breath until I turn blue...!

    :]

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  • tandfman
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    Originally posted by gh
    When I started at T&FN almost 40 years ago writing just such a column for every issue was one of my first jobs. It was subsequently written by Wally Donovan, our Historical Editor.

    Reader surveys showed that it wasn't particularly popular, so we stopped.
    In those days far more people relied on T&FN than they do today to get results and news of major competition. I wonder what a reader survey would would show today. I could be very wrong, bu I wouldn't be surprised if current readers would find that to be a very attractive feature.

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