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  • The m800 Mess

    2004 SHOULD have ushered in a new era for the m800. With Kipketer out of the picture, runners like Borzakovskiy, Bungei, and Mulaudzi seemed to have emerged as the most likely candidates to replace him at the top. Certainly Borza’s fearsome kick made him the Annointed One. Indeed when the dust settled from the 2004 Oly Games, there he stood at the top of the podium with Bungei second.

    But since then it’s been a Total Shambles! Ramzi won the 2005 WC, but it was Bungei who rated #1, Borza 4th! Then in 2006 Mulaudzi ranked #1 with Bungei third, Borza a mere 8th. In 2007 it was journeyman Yego (ranked 7th) who won the WC, and virtual unknown Rudisha ranked #1.

    So as 2008 dawned, weren’t we all hoping for a return to form of the ‘favorites’, restoring order to the universe?

    Naaaah. More of the same. Bungei did win the OG, but has little else to commend him and surely won’t rank 1st. Borza ran a great early season 1:42, but then pulled his usual dunderheaded stunt of waiting till too late to kick and DNQed for the Beijing final. So we’re left with another ranking mess.

    Using the tried-and-true criteria of the Marks Snob Rankings :roll: , which values marks as much as win-loss record (but not as much as Honors Won), because there are too many variables in the win-loss record, we can sort through this mess. Knowing that some athletes train through meets and others are on a specific peaking program for the Olympics that does not afford great performances in the early or late going. To this end, we must rank the competitions themselves, not only for their intrinsic merit, for that event, but their proximity to the Games and the quality and depth of the field.

    In the m800 we rank the races this year thusly:

    1. OG
    2. Monaco
    3. WAF
    4. Oslo
    5. Athens
    6. Madrid
    7. Rome

    How the top athletes finished in these races is paramount, in descending order of the meets.

    Looking at the 1-6 order of the OG, we see

    1. Bungei did little else
    2. Ismail had a 5th in Monaco and a 3rd in Madrid, which, added on to the fact that he was only one place behind Bungei in Beijing, jumps him over the Oly champ! Third and first in the 1st and 3rd most important meets counts more than 1st
    3. Yego won the WAF, so he's above Ismail.
    4. Reed was 4th in Monaco
    5. Kamel has big back-up credentials: 2nd in Monaco, 3rd at WAF, 3rd in Athens, 3rd in Rome. That jumps him clear above the pack!
    6. Lopez won Athens and that's it. Not good enough to jump him over Reed.

    Anyone else of merit? Oh yeah – Mulaudzi! He was 3rd in Monaco, 3rd in Oslo, won Madrid, 2nd in Rome, but only 6th at WAF. Should he get extra credit for running (well) in so many more races? Heck yeah! It puts him above Reed, but below Bungei.

    So we end up with these standings:

    1. Kamel
    2. Yego
    3. Ismail
    4. Bungei
    5. Mulaudzi
    6. Reed
    7. Lopez

    Simple, huh? Feel free to disagree; I need the laughs. :wink:

  • #2
    I wouldn't dream of challenging you on rankings, but I will say I love the unpredictability of it all and never quite knowing who's going to win. Makes it all more interesting.

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    • #3
      how about abubaker kaki?

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      • #4
        Rudisha should also be somewhere on that list.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by doug091463
          how about abubaker kaki?
          Originally posted by croflash
          Rudisha should also be somewhere on that list.
          That's my point, they should be, but ain't.

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          • #6
            Re: The m800 Mess

            Originally posted by Marlow
            2004 SHOULD have ushered in a new era for the m800.
            I think what happened is that people realized that Borza would always do that "run from the back" routine, so no one wanted to lead a race at a reasonable pace. Gone were the days of Johnny Gray. So they decided to go out in about 52 or 53 or 54 to negate the Borza strategy. Thus every high level race has become a crap shoot. Kaki did show an ability to take it out hard and finish fast, but inexperience bit him big time in China. He still may be the future of the event.

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            • #7
              nice theory

              unfortunately for it, borza wasn't in the final this year & not exactly scaring the shit out of anyone in past 3...

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              • #8
                Re: The m800 Mess

                Originally posted by Marlow
                Anyone else of merit? Oh yeah – Mulaudzi! He was 3rd in Monaco, 3rd in Oslo, won Madrid, 2nd in Rome, but only 6th at WAF. Should he get extra credit for running (well) in so many more races? Heck yeah! It puts him above Reed, but below Bungei.

                So we end up with these standings:

                1. Kamel
                2. Yego
                3. Ismail
                4. Bungei
                5. Mulaudzi
                6. Reed
                7. Lopez

                Simple, huh? Feel free to disagree; I need the laughs. :wink:
                One you've missed:

                Chepkirwok (2nd WAF, 5th Oslo, 2nd Athens, 2nd Madrid, sf OG) - does that get him past Reed & Lopez?

                The aforementioned Kaki won Oslo but bombed at OG (and ran none of your other ordained "big races"), so I would have to agree with him appearing no higher than 9th...

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                • #9
                  Re: The m800 Mess

                  Originally posted by AS
                  Chepkirwok (2nd WAF, 5th Oslo, 2nd Athens, 2nd Madrid, sf OG) - does that get him past Reed & Lopez?
                  Good catch - you found him - you rank him.

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                  • #10
                    bear in mind stories were that kaki & borza did have montezuma's revenge, or shoud that be

                    confucius's curse

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                    • #11
                      Re: The m800 Mess

                      Originally posted by Marlow
                      Good catch - you found him - you rank him.
                      In the end I struggle to do so without head-to-head counts... but you reckon they don't matter!! :wink:

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                      • #12
                        Re: The m800 Mess

                        Originally posted by AS
                        Originally posted by Marlow
                        Good catch - you found him - you rank him.
                        In the end I struggle to do so without head-to-head counts... but you reckon they don't matter!! :wink:
                        Only in the big meets, where there's more on the line. Just as all meets are not equal, neither are wins.

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                        • #13
                          The crappy water of Bejiing crapped out a lot of Olympians. Kaki is still the future of the 8 and 15.
                          phsstt!

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                          • #14
                            It would never occur to me to drink anything other than bottled water in Beijing. Athletes shouldn't have had a problem if they were careful.

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                            • #15
                              it would be fun to do this same exercise for both mPV and mSP. They are almost as chaotic.

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