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  • Some comments from Doug Logan at the Annual Meeting

    Doug spent a LOT of time talking with the athletes yesterday. I missed the first session, but they didn't finish so he came back for a second session. Here are some highlights:

    - The Olympic Trials for 2012 are still up in the air, the contract is still unsigned (and it didn't sound like he was on the verge of signing it, there are a lot of unresolved issues in that department).

    - Both the athletes and Doug think the relay program needs to be revamped. Concerns were expressed about where resources had been directed in the past.

    - Doug made a lot of really strong statements to the athletes about staying clean and choosing clean coaches. He told them on no uncertain terms that if they wanted to dope they needed to get out. He told them not to hire people (coaches/agents/etc) who have steered others toward drugs. Doug will make sure those people are banned.

    - Regarding agents, Doug encouraged all of the athletes to think of the agents as serving the athletes, and not to feel like they have no say in anything. The athletes expressed an interest in having the PAA run the agent program, but Doug did not feel comfortable with that, said it was generally the function of the NGB/League to regulate agents. He said he was not necessarily opposed to another group taking over the program in the future, but it would have to be the right situation. He said that IAAF has some kind of agent program as well and USATF has been working with them to also.

    - Doug said USATF lacks a business model and that roles need to be defined more clearly.

    - Talked with the athletes about substinence payments. Thinks there should be some sort of base level income for athletes outside of prize money and such. This is obviously something that depends on USATF bringing in more sponsors, and an idea that would have a million details to be worked out.

    - They briefly discussed health insurance issues and dental insurance issues and there was going to be someone else to speak more about it later (but I did not stay for that part).

    - Development funding was discussed, and there were feelings by both sides that too much of the development funding had been spent on athletes who didn't really need it and that not enough of it was going to the emerging elite athletes. I strongly agree!!

    - There was talk about looking into moving the rookie camp to NCAAs for graduating seniors.

    - Doug talked a lot about issues about TV. He said there is a dearth of talent of talent in the broadcasting business (as it relates to track and field). He encouraged athletes to consider a career in this.
    - Said that USATF is trying to weed out the negative commentators, but we have very little leverage with the networks. Talked about our need for more influence at the producer level.
    - Doug's goal is to is to earn more respect from TV every year - he made that a pledge.
    - Said he wanted to see better presentation of our events on TV. Said he loved the Trials in person and hated them on TV.
    - Felt that storylines did not belong in the middle of a track meet, would be better in a special leading up to the event.

    - He was asked (not by me haha) about situations involving implements like pole vaulting poles being transported to National Championships (right now the pole vaulters are on their own for transporting poles from the airport to USA Indoors which is ridiculous) and Doug said that was unacceptable and something needed to be done about it.

    - Some of the athletes felt that in the past there had been favoritism toward Nike athletes (because Nike is a major USATF sponsor). Doug strongly assured them that this would not be tolerated, and if he learned of a staff member doing that, it would be grounds for dismissal.


    Doug did a great job. I am really impressed with him, and especially impressed that he took so much time to talk to the athletes (this was an hour and a half, and he had talked to them at length in an earlier session).

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    Re: Some comments from Doug Logan at the Annual Meeting

    Originally posted by polevaultpower
    1. The Olympic Trials for 2012 are still up in the air, the contract is still unsigned (and it didn't sound like he was on the verge of signing it, there are a lot of unresolved issues in that department).
    2. Both the athletes and Doug think the relay program needs to be revamped. Concerns were expressed about where resources had been directed in the past.
    3. Doug said USATF lacks a business model and that roles need to be defined more clearly.
    4.Talked with the athletes about substinence payments. Thinks there should be some sort of base level income for athletes outside of prize money and such. This is obviously something that depends on USATF bringing in more sponsors, and an idea that would have a million details to be worked out.
    5. They briefly discussed health insurance issues and dental insurance issues and there was going to be someone else to speak more about it later (but I did not stay for that part).
    6. Development funding was discussed, and there were feelings by both sides that too much of the development funding had been spent on athletes who didn't really need it and that not enough of it was going to the emerging elite athletes. I strongly agree!!
    7. Doug talked a lot about issues about TV. He said there is a dearth of talent of talent in the broadcasting business (as it relates to track and field). He encouraged athletes to consider a career in this. Said that USATF is trying to weed out the negative commentators, but we have very little leverage with the networks. Talked about our need for more influence at the producer level. Said he wanted to see better presentation of our events on TV. Said he loved the Trials in person and hated them on TV. Felt that storylines did not belong in the middle of a track meet, would be better in a special leading up to the event.
    From Joe Fanatic I say:
    1. Stay in Eugene, please!
    2. Zackly
    3. Yay!
    4, 5, 6. Very cool.
    7. About freakin' time.

    If he can bring ANY improvement in these areas he will be my hero!

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    • #3
      It's not that people want to leave Eugene, it's that there are concerns about the process in which they were awarded the bid. But there are already several threads about this.

      I don't get the impression that Doug wants 2012 to necessarily be anywhere other than Eugene. He went to the 08 Trials and had a blast. However, he is a business man and there are some business issues that need to be sorted out before 2012 is finalized.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by polevaultpower
        It's not that people want to leave Eugene, it's that there are concerns about the process in which they were awarded the bid. But there are already several threads about this.

        I don't get the impression that Doug wants 2012 to necessarily be anywhere other than Eugene. He went to the 08 Trials and had a blast. However, he is a business man and there are some business issues that need to be sorted out before 2012 is finalized.
        Good, and BTW, thanks for the insights, Becca. I looked at Ken's photos and am pleased to announce you look much older than 12 now . . . maybe 15! :wink:

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        • #5
          An e-mail I got from a skeptic:

          <<The only thing he didn't promise the AAC audience was a pony each,
          apparently. Sounds like an awful student council campaign appearance.>>

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          • #6
            Originally posted by gh
            An e-mail I got from a skeptic:

            <<The only thing he didn't promise the AAC audience was a pony each,
            apparently. Sounds like an awful student council campaign appearance.>>
            Fair enough, but I thought he generally did a decent job of admitting when he didn't know the answer to something, and not pulling promises out of thin air. He was careful about how he worded things.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by gh
              An e-mail I got from a skeptic:
              <<The only thing he didn't promise the AAC audience was a pony each,
              apparently. Sounds like an awful student council campaign appearance.>>
              That would be a valid comment if he signed his name, or better yet, said it to Logan's face. As an anonymous comment, it's just petty and small.

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              • #8
                **dupe**

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Marlow
                  Originally posted by gh
                  An e-mail I got from a skeptic:
                  <<The only thing he didn't promise the AAC audience was a pony each,
                  apparently. Sounds like an awful student council campaign appearance.>>
                  That would be a valid comment if he signed his name, or better yet, said it to Logan's face. As an anonymous comment, it's just petty and small.

                  I agree, and I wonder if the emailer was even there, considering his wording in the email.

                  Sounds like an awful student council campaign appearance.
                  Wouldn't someone who actually was there and heard it say sounded?

                  I normally don't get picky on grammatical issues, but it sure seems like a second-hand account, laden with opinionated hearsay, to me.
                  There are no strings on me

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                  • #10
                    How do you know it was an anonymous email? GH never said it was, GH did not disclose the name.

                    Thanks pvp. It is not really important what the truth is right now, the information is key. He has put his name to a few promises. And he has positioned himself strategically politically. It will tell a lot down the line.

                    I am not surprised he made nice with the athletes, they are the life blood. I would like a report from the coaches he talked to.
                    When I see the coaching issue addressed then I will believe we are seeing a paradigm shift. Otherwise I am seeing the obvious done.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Smoke
                      How do you know it was an anonymous email? GH never said it was, GH did not disclose the name.
                      No name = anonymous. The very fact that gh did not disclose the name is the most significant fact here. Cheap shots are cheap shots.

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                      • #12
                        I'll have to nominate that as the most hilarious post of the year. The king of I-wasn't-there-but-I'll-be-the-first-to-comment on every subject under the sun is now taking issue with somebody else's remote analysis? The mind boggles. Of course it was somebody who wasn't there, as "sounds like" in the quote clearly demonstrated.

                        And it's not a cheap shot at all. It was a considered opinion by a respected personage in the sport who for reasons I can't disclose couldn't sign his/her name.

                        If you'd like to be spoon fed corporate kool-aid, by all means, suck it up. If you'd not like the privilege of some inside thinking you're not likely to get anywhere else, then don't bother reading here. Just go for the official press releases.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by gh
                          Of course it was somebody who wasn't there, as "sounds like" in the quote clearly demonstrated.

                          As such, I'll give it's due value.....
                          There are no strings on me

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                          • #14
                            I thought Eugene '12 was a done deal. Surprised to read no contract has been signed.
                            "Long may you run"- Neil Young

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mellow Johnny
                              I thought Eugene '12 was a done deal. Surprised to read no contract has been signed.
                              Not a done deal, but I would be very surprised to see it go anywhere else.

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