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  • australia on verge of pole vault domination?

    the article by writer glen foreman starts off with.
    never before in history has australia been on the brink of such domination of a track and field disciplne as it does now in the pole vault.

    i read the front page story on australia pole vaulting, then looked up australians on the yearly list, in the men had the 3rd and 43rd best marks this year and those were the only 2 australian male pole vaulters in the top 100, in the womens pole vault australia had the 11th and 54th best marks in the world and those were the only 2 australian women in the top 100.

    in the juniors i think the top australian girl is 4th and the top male is 11th on the yearly junior list.

    this hardly indicates they will soon be dominating the event even if steven hooker stays at the top.

    at the same time i am saying this i am somewhat of a hipocrit because i think the kenyan women will soon dominate the 800 even though they only have 2 in the top 100 yearly list and 2 in the top 100 all time list. a lot of my belief on that is well the kenyan men dominate the 800 (all timelist wise) so why wouldnt there woman eventually and that an 18 year old kenyan girl is far away the best, so there are probably others with that ability not yet discovered.

    i really do not follow the pole vault much, but i dont know why anyone would be expecting the australians to dominate the pole vault in 4-8 years.

    is there people here who really follow the pole vault who believe (and the article even seems to almost expect) that australians will soon dominate the event, or is the writer just writing what he hopes will happen?

  • #2
    Re: australia on verge of pole vault domination?

    Originally posted by doug091463
    is there people here who really follow the pole vault who believe that australians will soon dominate the event, or is the writer just writing what he hopes will happen?
    The latter - though they do have some excellent coaches, facilities and coaches.
    I think it's still a USA/Russia/Germany event, in large part.

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    • #3
      YEAH RIGHT :shock:

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      • #4
        From a track journalist in Sydney:

        <<Gotta love those westie nutters...say anything as long as it gets you
        into the paper. Sheesh, that's just insane >>

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        • #5
          If anybody is poised to dominate in the future, it could be China in the 110H. Liu is just the tip of the iceberg. They have an 18-year-old who ran 13.47 this year, and Dongpeng Shi who reached the semifinal in Beijing and is still young enough (24) to have a lot of room for improvement, plus a number of others scattered through this year's world list.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sprintblox
            If anybody is poised to dominate in the future, it could be China in the 110H. Liu is just the tip of the iceberg. They have an 18-year-old who ran 13.47 this year, and Dongpeng Shi who reached the semifinal in Beijing and is still young enough (24) to have a lot of room for improvement, plus a number of others scattered through this year's world list.
            Here's the 2008 list at 13.40 or better:

            China
            13.18 Xiang Liu
            13.29 Dongpeng Shi

            USA
            12.95 David Oliver
            13.08 Terrence Trammell
            13.09 Antwon Hicks
            13.15 Anwar Moore
            13.17 David Payne
            13.21 Jason Richardson
            13.24 Aries Merritt
            13.25 Tyrone Akins
            13.28 Ryan Wilson
            13.30 Aubrey Herring
            13.32 Allen Johnson
            13.33 Joel Brown
            13.33 Andrew Brunson
            13.35 Eric Mitchum
            13.40 Dexter Faulk
            13.40 Arend Watkins

            I gotcher domination right here, buddy. :twisted:

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Marlow
              13.18 Xiang Liu
              13.29 Dongpeng Shi

              USA
              12.95 David Oliver
              13.08 Terrence Trammell
              13.09 Antwon Hicks
              13.15 Anwar Moore
              13.17 David Payne
              13.21 Jason Richardson
              13.24 Aries Merritt
              13.25 Tyrone Akins
              13.28 Ryan Wilson
              13.30 Aubrey Herring
              13.32 Allen Johnson
              13.33 Joel Brown
              13.33 Andrew Brunson
              13.35 Eric Mitchum
              13.40 Dexter Faulk
              13.40 Arend Watkins

              I gotcher domination right here, buddy. :twisted:
              I'm talking about future domination. You could have built a similar long list for the US 100m a few years ago, but look at what happened this year.

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              • #8
                ridiculous statement.

                You could have built a similar long list for the US 100m a few years ago, but look at what happened this year.[/quote]

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                • #9
                  That is a very fluffy and inconsequential article. Without defining "domination" is pretty hard to assess his arguments.

                  The article is here: http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0 ... 01,00.html

                  Top 8-9 Aussie vaulters in 2008 (with age as at today):

                  MEN:
                  6.00 Steve Hooker (26)
                  5.61 Paul Burgess (29)
                  5.35 Matthew Boyd (20)
                  5.25 Joel Pocklington (22)
                  5.25 James Filshie (27)
                  5.25 Blake Lucas (18)
                  5.05 Aidan Dziubinski (29)
                  5.00 Anthony Hanna (26)
                  5.00 Tim Macdermot (25)

                  WOMEN:
                  4.56 Alana Boyd (24)
                  4.35 Vicky Parnov (18)
                  4.20 Rosanna Ditton (29)
                  4.05 Melanie Adams (20)
                  4.05 Liz Parnov (14)
                  4.00 Amanda Bisk (22)
                  3.90 Rachel Birtles (18)
                  3.90 Miranda Tiong (20)
                  3.90 Jamie Scroop (20)


                  The Western Australia-based vaulters are in purple. The claims for dominance from that state are not overly strong either...

                  Data from http://www.athletics.com.au/community/s ... rrent_list

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                  • #10
                    I think America's 1 and 2 marks are 6.04 and 5.85?

                    The women were Jenn over 16feet and Chelsea and Jillian around 15 feet 6?


                    Top 8-9 Aussie vaulters in 2008 (with age as at today):

                    MEN:
                    6.00 Steve Hooker (26)
                    5.61 Paul Burgess (29)
                    5.35 Matthew Boyd (20)
                    5.25 Joel Pocklington (22)
                    5.25 James Filshie (27)
                    5.25 Blake Lucas (18)
                    5.05 Aidan Dziubinski (29)
                    5.00 Anthony Hanna (26)
                    5.00 Tim Macdermot (25)

                    WOMEN:
                    4.56 Alana Boyd (24)
                    4.35 Vicky Parnov (18)
                    4.20 Rosanna Ditton (29)
                    4.05 Melanie Adams (20)
                    4.05 Liz Parnov (14)
                    4.00 Amanda Bisk (22)
                    3.90 Rachel Birtles (18)
                    3.90 Miranda Tiong (20)
                    3.90 Jamie Scroop (20)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by twinpeeks
                      I think America's 1 and 2 marks are 6.04 and 5.85?

                      The women were Jenn over 16feet and Chelsea and Jillian around 15 feet 6?
                      US lists for 2008 have #9 male vaulter at 5.70:

                      6.04 Brad Walker (27)
                      5.85 Derek Miles (26)
                      5.80 Jacob Pauli (29)
                      5.75 Mark Hollis (24)
                      5.71i Jeff Hartwig (41)
                      Tim Mack (26)
                      i Jeremy Scott (27)
                      5.70i Tommy Skipper (24)
                      i(A) Toby Stevenson (32)

                      Women's equalivalent is 4.55

                      4.92 Jenn Stuczynski (26)
                      4.72i Jillian Schwartz (29)
                      4.70 Stacy Dragila (37)
                      4.68 Chelsea Johnson (25)
                      4.64i Lacy Janson (25)
                      4.63 April Steiner (28)
                      4.60 Erin Asay (25)
                      4.55 Erica Bartolina (28)
                      Becky Holliday (28)

                      Marks from http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/lists/
                      Ages from IAAF

                      Best US juniors (i.e. U/20) from 2008 (19 years unless noted)

                      MEN (best Aussie 5.25 and 18yo):
                      5.50 Maston Wallace
                      5.41 Joe Berry
                      5.25 Spencer McCorkel
                      5.25 Jack Witt (18)
                      5.21 Blair Wallingford (18)

                      WOMEN(best Aussie 4.35 and 18yo):
                      4.27 Rachel Laurent
                      4.21 Tori Anthony
                      4.21 Shade Weygandt (17)
                      4.21 Natalie Willer (18)
                      4.12 Stephanie Foreman (18)

                      A much stronger case could clearly be made for US domination than Australian

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                      • #12
                        More impressive is the Father/Son stat with the" Hookers". I belive his dad ran under 1:46 for 800 meters ?

                        Originally posted by AS
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                        A much stronger case could clearly be made for US domination than Australian

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by twinpeeks
                          More impressive is the Father/Son stat with the" Hookers". I belive his dad ran under 1:46 for 800 meters ?
                          The Hookers are a talented family:

                          Dad, Bill went 1.45.36 back in 1973 (and low 46s for 400m and 50.6h for 400mH)

                          Mum, Erica jumped 6.58m in LJ in 1978 (and >4000 pts in pentathlon)

                          Steve is pretty versatile. He has produced the following marks over the years:

                          100m: 10.68 (2005)
                          200m: 21.65 (2003) & 21.1h (2005)
                          LJ: 7.20m (2004)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by twinpeeks
                            I think America's 1 and 2 marks are 6.04 and 5.85?

                            The women were Jenn over 16feet and Chelsea and Jillian around 15 feet 6?


                            Top 8-9 Aussie vaulters in 2008 (with age as at today):

                            MEN:
                            6.00 Steve Hooker (26)
                            5.61 Paul Burgess (29)
                            5.35 Matthew Boyd (20)
                            5.25 Joel Pocklington (22)
                            5.25 James Filshie (27)
                            5.25 Blake Lucas (18)
                            5.05 Aidan Dziubinski (29)
                            5.00 Anthony Hanna (26)
                            5.00 Tim Macdermot (25)

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                            Aside from the top two on the list, the men's list looks like a pretty average year for US High School vaulting.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sprintblox
                              Originally posted by Marlow
                              13.18 Xiang Liu
                              13.29 Dongpeng Shi

                              USA
                              12.95 David Oliver
                              13.08 Terrence Trammell
                              13.09 Antwon Hicks
                              13.15 Anwar Moore
                              13.17 David Payne
                              13.21 Jason Richardson
                              13.24 Aries Merritt
                              13.25 Tyrone Akins
                              13.28 Ryan Wilson
                              13.30 Aubrey Herring
                              13.32 Allen Johnson
                              13.33 Joel Brown
                              13.33 Andrew Brunson
                              13.35 Eric Mitchum
                              13.40 Dexter Faulk
                              13.40 Arend Watkins

                              I gotcher domination right here, buddy. :twisted:
                              I'm talking about future domination. You could have built a similar long list for the US 100m a few years ago, but look at what happened this year.
                              i have no idea what "future" you are dreaming about but even in every one of the infinite alternate universes, america still whoops china hands down in terms of domination of the 110h, albeit they won't always win gold

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