australia on verge of pole vault domination?

[doug091463]

the article by writer glen foreman starts off with.
never before in history has australia been on the brink of such domination of a track and field disciplne as it does now in the pole vault.

i read the front page story on australia pole vaulting, then looked up australians on the yearly list, in the men had the 3rd and 43rd best marks this year and those were the only 2 australian male pole vaulters in the top 100, in the womens pole vault australia had the 11th and 54th best marks in the world and those were the only 2 australian women in the top 100.

in the juniors i think the top australian girl is 4th and the top male is 11th on the yearly junior list.

this hardly indicates they will soon be dominating the event even if steven hooker stays at the top.

at the same time i am saying this i am somewhat of a hipocrit because i think the kenyan women will soon dominate the 800 even though they only have 2 in the top 100 yearly list and 2 in the top 100 all time list. a lot of my belief on that is well the kenyan men dominate the 800 (all timelist wise) so why wouldnt there woman eventually and that an 18 year old kenyan girl is far away the best, so there are probably others with that ability not yet discovered.

i really do not follow the pole vault much, but i dont know why anyone would be expecting the australians to dominate the pole vault in 4-8 years.

is there people here who really follow the pole vault who believe (and the article even seems to almost expect) that australians will soon dominate the event, or is the writer just writing what he hopes will happen?

[Marlow]

Re: australia on verge of pole vault domination?

is there people here who really follow the pole vault who believe that australians will soon dominate the event, or is the writer just writing what he hopes will happen?

The latter - though they do have some excellent coaches, facilities and coaches.
I think it's still a USA/Russia/Germany event, in large part.

[Jumpman]

YEAH RIGHT :shock:

[gh]

From a track journalist in Sydney:

<<Gotta love those westie nutters...say anything as long as it gets you
into the paper. Sheesh, that's just insane >>

[sprintblox]

If anybody is poised to dominate in the future, it could be China in the 110H. Liu is just the tip of the iceberg. They have an 18-year-old who ran 13.47 this year, and Dongpeng Shi who reached the semifinal in Beijing and is still young enough (24) to have a lot of room for improvement, plus a number of others scattered through this year's world list.

[Marlow]

If anybody is poised to dominate in the future, it could be China in the 110H. Liu is just the tip of the iceberg. They have an 18-year-old who ran 13.47 this year, and Dongpeng Shi who reached the semifinal in Beijing and is still young enough (24) to have a lot of room for improvement, plus a number of others scattered through this year's world list.

Here's the 2008 list at 13.40 or better:

China
13.18 Xiang Liu
13.29 Dongpeng Shi

USA
12.95 David Oliver
13.08 Terrence Trammell
13.09 Antwon Hicks
13.15 Anwar Moore
13.17 David Payne
13.21 Jason Richardson
13.24 Aries Merritt
13.25 Tyrone Akins
13.28 Ryan Wilson
13.30 Aubrey Herring
13.32 Allen Johnson
13.33 Joel Brown
13.33 Andrew Brunson
13.35 Eric Mitchum
13.40 Dexter Faulk
13.40 Arend Watkins

I gotcher domination right here, buddy. :twisted:

[sprintblox]

13.18 Xiang Liu
13.29 Dongpeng Shi

USA
12.95 David Oliver
13.08 Terrence Trammell
13.09 Antwon Hicks
13.15 Anwar Moore
13.17 David Payne
13.21 Jason Richardson
13.24 Aries Merritt
13.25 Tyrone Akins
13.28 Ryan Wilson
13.30 Aubrey Herring
13.32 Allen Johnson
13.33 Joel Brown
13.33 Andrew Brunson
13.35 Eric Mitchum
13.40 Dexter Faulk
13.40 Arend Watkins

I gotcher domination right here, buddy. :twisted:

I'm talking about future domination. You could have built a similar long list for the US 100m a few years ago, but look at what happened this year.

[twinpeeks]

ridiculous statement.

You could have built a similar long list for the US 100m a few years ago, but look at what happened this year.[/quote]

[AS]

That is a very fluffy and inconsequential article. Without defining "domination" is pretty hard to assess his arguments.

The article is here: http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0 ... 01,00.html

Top 8-9 Aussie vaulters in 2008 (with age as at today):

MEN:
6.00 Steve Hooker (26)
5.61 Paul Burgess (29)
5.35 Matthew Boyd (20)
5.25 Joel Pocklington (22)
5.25 James Filshie (27)
5.25 Blake Lucas (18)
5.05 Aidan Dziubinski (29)
5.00 Anthony Hanna (26)
5.00 Tim Macdermot (25)

WOMEN:
4.56 Alana Boyd (24)
4.35 Vicky Parnov (18)
4.20 Rosanna Ditton (29)
4.05 Melanie Adams (20)
4.05 Liz Parnov (14)
4.00 Amanda Bisk (22)
3.90 Rachel Birtles (18)
3.90 Miranda Tiong (20)
3.90 Jamie Scroop (20)

The Western Australia-based vaulters are in purple. The claims for dominance from that state are not overly strong either...

Data from http://www.athletics.com.au/community/s ... rrent_list

[twinpeeks]

I think America's 1 and 2 marks are 6.04 and 5.85?

The women were Jenn over 16feet and Chelsea and Jillian around 15 feet 6?


Top 8-9 Aussie vaulters in 2008 (with age as at today):

MEN:
6.00 Steve Hooker (26)
5.61 Paul Burgess (29)
5.35 Matthew Boyd (20)
5.25 Joel Pocklington (22)
5.25 James Filshie (27)
5.25 Blake Lucas (18)
5.05 Aidan Dziubinski (29)
5.00 Anthony Hanna (26)
5.00 Tim Macdermot (25)

WOMEN:
4.56 Alana Boyd (24)
4.35 Vicky Parnov (18)
4.20 Rosanna Ditton (29)
4.05 Melanie Adams (20)
4.05 Liz Parnov (14)
4.00 Amanda Bisk (22)
3.90 Rachel Birtles (18)
3.90 Miranda Tiong (20)
3.90 Jamie Scroop (20)

[AS]

I think America's 1 and 2 marks are 6.04 and 5.85?

The women were Jenn over 16feet and Chelsea and Jillian around 15 feet 6?

US lists for 2008 have #9 male vaulter at 5.70:

6.04 Brad Walker (27)
5.85 Derek Miles (26)
5.80 Jacob Pauli (29)
5.75 Mark Hollis (24)
5.71i Jeff Hartwig (41)
Tim Mack (26)
i Jeremy Scott (27)
5.70i Tommy Skipper (24)
i(A) Toby Stevenson (32)

Women's equalivalent is 4.55

4.92 Jenn Stuczynski (26)
4.72i Jillian Schwartz (29)
4.70 Stacy Dragila (37)
4.68 Chelsea Johnson (25)
4.64i Lacy Janson (25)
4.63 April Steiner (28)
4.60 Erin Asay (25)
4.55 Erica Bartolina (28)
Becky Holliday (28)

Marks from http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/lists/
Ages from IAAF

Best US juniors (i.e. U/20) from 2008 (19 years unless noted)

MEN (best Aussie 5.25 and 18yo):
5.50 Maston Wallace
5.41 Joe Berry
5.25 Spencer McCorkel
5.25 Jack Witt (18)
5.21 Blair Wallingford (18)

WOMEN(best Aussie 4.35 and 18yo):
4.27 Rachel Laurent
4.21 Tori Anthony
4.21 Shade Weygandt (17)
4.21 Natalie Willer (18)
4.12 Stephanie Foreman (18)

A much stronger case could clearly be made for US domination than Australian

[twinpeeks]

More impressive is the Father/Son stat with the" Hookers". I belive his dad ran under 1:46 for 800 meters ?

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A much stronger case could clearly be made for US domination than Australian

[AS]

More impressive is the Father/Son stat with the" Hookers". I belive his dad ran under 1:46 for 800 meters ?

The Hookers are a talented family:

Dad, Bill went 1.45.36 back in 1973 (and low 46s for 400m and 50.6h for 400mH)

Mum, Erica jumped 6.58m in LJ in 1978 (and >4000 pts in pentathlon)

Steve is pretty versatile. He has produced the following marks over the years:

100m: 10.68 (2005)
200m: 21.65 (2003) & 21.1h (2005)
LJ: 7.20m (2004)

[Dave]

I think America's 1 and 2 marks are 6.04 and 5.85?

The women were Jenn over 16feet and Chelsea and Jillian around 15 feet 6?


Top 8-9 Aussie vaulters in 2008 (with age as at today):

MEN:
6.00 Steve Hooker (26)
5.61 Paul Burgess (29)
5.35 Matthew Boyd (20)
5.25 Joel Pocklington (22)
5.25 James Filshie (27)
5.25 Blake Lucas (18)
5.05 Aidan Dziubinski (29)
5.00 Anthony Hanna (26)
5.00 Tim Macdermot (25)

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Aside from the top two on the list, the men's list looks like a pretty average year for US High School vaulting.

[eldrick]

13.18 Xiang Liu
13.29 Dongpeng Shi

USA
12.95 David Oliver
13.08 Terrence Trammell
13.09 Antwon Hicks
13.15 Anwar Moore
13.17 David Payne
13.21 Jason Richardson
13.24 Aries Merritt
13.25 Tyrone Akins
13.28 Ryan Wilson
13.30 Aubrey Herring
13.32 Allen Johnson
13.33 Joel Brown
13.33 Andrew Brunson
13.35 Eric Mitchum
13.40 Dexter Faulk
13.40 Arend Watkins

I gotcher domination right here, buddy. :twisted:

I'm talking about future domination. You could have built a similar long list for the US 100m a few years ago, but look at what happened this year.

i have no idea what "future" you are dreaming about but even in every one of the infinite alternate universes, america still whoops china hands down in terms of domination of the 110h, albeit they won't always win gold