australia on verge of pole vault domination?

[Dave]

As someone said earlier, it is a puff piece and it is written by someone who doesn't know the sport.

I pay very little attention to basketball, football, or baseball. Do these sports have the same problem with writers who don't know what they are talking about?

No, they would be roasted alive for such unsubstantiated claims in those other sports.

Then a short, informative letter to the editor is probably in order to provide the customary roasting.....

[Barto]

As someone said earlier, it is a puff piece and it is written by someone who doesn't know the sport.

I pay very little attention to basketball, football, or baseball. Do these sports have the same problem with writers who don't know what they are talking about?

No, they would be roasted alive for such unsubstantiated claims in those other sports.

[BillVol]

I don't see Aussie domination in anything unless it's boomerang throwing. Although the Kenyans are making ground there, so I don't know.

[Dave]

As someone said earlier, it is a puff piece and it is written by someone who doesn't know the sport.

I pay very little attention to basketball, football, or baseball. Do these sports have the same problem with writers who don't know what they are talking about?

[AS]

Lists for the candidate countries for 2008:

Russia:
MEN
6.01 Evgeniy Lukyanenko (23)
5.81 Sergey Kucheryanu (23)
5.81i Igor Pavlov (29)
5.75 Dmitry Starodubtsev (22)
5.75i Pavel Gerasimov (29)
5.71i Leonid Kivalov (20)
5.60 Viktor Chistiakov (33)
5.60i Pavel Prokopenko (21)
5.60i Dmitriy Kuptsov (26)
5.55 Aleksandr Gripich (22)

WOMEN
5.05 Elena Isinbaeva (26)
4.75 Svetlana Feofanova (28)
4.75 Yuliya Golubchikova (25)
4.71 Tatyana Polnova (29)
4.65 Anastasiya Shvedova (29)
4.50 Valeriya Volik (19)
4.50 Aleksandra Kiryashova (23)
4.40 Ekaterina Kolesova (18)
4.20 Ekaterina Sultanova (24) (+2 others)

Germany:
MEN:
5.81 Alexander Straub (25)
5.81i Tim Lobinger (36)
5.80 Raphael Holzdeppe (19)
5.80i Danny Ecker (31)
5.76i Fabian Schulze (24)
5.75i Tobias Scherbarth (23)
5.70 Richard Spiegelburg (31)
5.70 Björn Otto (31)
5.70 Lars Börgeling (29)
5.70 Malte Mohr (22)

WOMEN
4.70 Silke Spiegelburg (22)
4.65 Carolin Hingst (18)
4.60i Julia Hütter (25)
4.52 Kristina Gadschiew (24)
4.52 Martina Strutz (24)
4.52i Lisa Ryzih (20)
4.50 Nastja Ryjikh-Reiberger (31)
4.50i Anna Battke (23)
4.27 Denise von Eynatten (21)

France:
MEN:
5.75 Jérôme Clavier (25)
5.71 Romain Mesnil (31)
5.70i Renaud Lavillenie (22)
5.65 Damiel Dossévi (25)
5.50 Xavier Tromp (24)
5.50 Alain Andji (34)
5.50i Joël Soler (26)
5.50i Fabrice Fortin (28)
5.50i Charles Andureu (23)
5.50i Nicholas Durand (29)

WOMEN
4.60i Vanessa Boslak (26)
4.50 Marion Buisson (20)
4.35 Alizée Dufraisse (21)
4.30 Amélie Delzenne (25)
4.25 Alixe Auvray (23)
4.20 Hortense Lecuyot (19)
4.20 Télie Mathiot (21)
4.20 Marie Frachebois (24)
4.20 Aurore Pignot (29)

Ukraine have 3 guys at 5.70 or higher
Poland have 3 women at 4.50 or higher

Australia certainly doesn't stack up

[Barto]

GER is maybe the second deepest behind the US.

[AS]

Aside from the top two on the list, the men's list looks like a pretty average year for US High School vaulting.

I agree... which speaks to the idiocy of the claim. Hard to argue the country is doing much better than the UK. Their top 9 in 2008:

MEN
5.71i Steven Lewis (22)
5.50i Luke Cutts (20)
5.31i Scott Simpson (29)
5.30i Paul Walker (23)
5.25 Mark Christie (24)
5.20i Christian North (34)
5.20 Nick Buckfield (35)
5.20 Andrew Marsh (18)
5.12 Max Eaves (20)

WOMEN
4.40i Kate Dennison (24)
4.21 Louise Butterworth (23)
4.15i Zoe Brown (25)
4.12 Emma Lyons (21)
4.05 Henrietta Paxton (25)
4.05 Jade Ive (16)
4.03i Ellie Spain (25)
4.02 Kirsty Maguire (25)
4.00i Kimberly Skinner (21)

Looks like the typical British story vs Australia in this discipline... less quality at top end, but somewhat deeper lists...

I'm sure folks could provide several other countries with much better lists in this event: RUS, FRA, SWE?

[eldrick]

13.18 Xiang Liu
13.29 Dongpeng Shi

USA
12.95 David Oliver
13.08 Terrence Trammell
13.09 Antwon Hicks
13.15 Anwar Moore
13.17 David Payne
13.21 Jason Richardson
13.24 Aries Merritt
13.25 Tyrone Akins
13.28 Ryan Wilson
13.30 Aubrey Herring
13.32 Allen Johnson
13.33 Joel Brown
13.33 Andrew Brunson
13.35 Eric Mitchum
13.40 Dexter Faulk
13.40 Arend Watkins

I gotcher domination right here, buddy. :twisted:

I'm talking about future domination. You could have built a similar long list for the US 100m a few years ago, but look at what happened this year.

i have no idea what "future" you are dreaming about but even in every one of the infinite alternate universes, america still whoops china hands down in terms of domination of the 110h, albeit they won't always win gold

[Dave]

I think America's 1 and 2 marks are 6.04 and 5.85?

The women were Jenn over 16feet and Chelsea and Jillian around 15 feet 6?


Top 8-9 Aussie vaulters in 2008 (with age as at today):

MEN:
6.00 Steve Hooker (26)
5.61 Paul Burgess (29)
5.35 Matthew Boyd (20)
5.25 Joel Pocklington (22)
5.25 James Filshie (27)
5.25 Blake Lucas (18)
5.05 Aidan Dziubinski (29)
5.00 Anthony Hanna (26)
5.00 Tim Macdermot (25)

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Aside from the top two on the list, the men's list looks like a pretty average year for US High School vaulting.

[AS]

More impressive is the Father/Son stat with the" Hookers". I belive his dad ran under 1:46 for 800 meters ?

The Hookers are a talented family:

Dad, Bill went 1.45.36 back in 1973 (and low 46s for 400m and 50.6h for 400mH)

Mum, Erica jumped 6.58m in LJ in 1978 (and >4000 pts in pentathlon)

Steve is pretty versatile. He has produced the following marks over the years:

100m: 10.68 (2005)
200m: 21.65 (2003) & 21.1h (2005)
LJ: 7.20m (2004)

[twinpeeks]

More impressive is the Father/Son stat with the" Hookers". I belive his dad ran under 1:46 for 800 meters ?

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A much stronger case could clearly be made for US domination than Australian

[AS]

I think America's 1 and 2 marks are 6.04 and 5.85?

The women were Jenn over 16feet and Chelsea and Jillian around 15 feet 6?

US lists for 2008 have #9 male vaulter at 5.70:

6.04 Brad Walker (27)
5.85 Derek Miles (26)
5.80 Jacob Pauli (29)
5.75 Mark Hollis (24)
5.71i Jeff Hartwig (41)
Tim Mack (26)
i Jeremy Scott (27)
5.70i Tommy Skipper (24)
i(A) Toby Stevenson (32)

Women's equalivalent is 4.55

4.92 Jenn Stuczynski (26)
4.72i Jillian Schwartz (29)
4.70 Stacy Dragila (37)
4.68 Chelsea Johnson (25)
4.64i Lacy Janson (25)
4.63 April Steiner (28)
4.60 Erin Asay (25)
4.55 Erica Bartolina (28)
Becky Holliday (28)

Marks from http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/lists/
Ages from IAAF

Best US juniors (i.e. U/20) from 2008 (19 years unless noted)

MEN (best Aussie 5.25 and 18yo):
5.50 Maston Wallace
5.41 Joe Berry
5.25 Spencer McCorkel
5.25 Jack Witt (18)
5.21 Blair Wallingford (18)

WOMEN(best Aussie 4.35 and 18yo):
4.27 Rachel Laurent
4.21 Tori Anthony
4.21 Shade Weygandt (17)
4.21 Natalie Willer (18)
4.12 Stephanie Foreman (18)

A much stronger case could clearly be made for US domination than Australian

[twinpeeks]

I think America's 1 and 2 marks are 6.04 and 5.85?

The women were Jenn over 16feet and Chelsea and Jillian around 15 feet 6?


Top 8-9 Aussie vaulters in 2008 (with age as at today):

MEN:
6.00 Steve Hooker (26)
5.61 Paul Burgess (29)
5.35 Matthew Boyd (20)
5.25 Joel Pocklington (22)
5.25 James Filshie (27)
5.25 Blake Lucas (18)
5.05 Aidan Dziubinski (29)
5.00 Anthony Hanna (26)
5.00 Tim Macdermot (25)

WOMEN:
4.56 Alana Boyd (24)
4.35 Vicky Parnov (18)
4.20 Rosanna Ditton (29)
4.05 Melanie Adams (20)
4.05 Liz Parnov (14)
4.00 Amanda Bisk (22)
3.90 Rachel Birtles (18)
3.90 Miranda Tiong (20)
3.90 Jamie Scroop (20)

[AS]

That is a very fluffy and inconsequential article. Without defining "domination" is pretty hard to assess his arguments.

The article is here: http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0 ... 01,00.html

Top 8-9 Aussie vaulters in 2008 (with age as at today):

MEN:
6.00 Steve Hooker (26)
5.61 Paul Burgess (29)
5.35 Matthew Boyd (20)
5.25 Joel Pocklington (22)
5.25 James Filshie (27)
5.25 Blake Lucas (18)
5.05 Aidan Dziubinski (29)
5.00 Anthony Hanna (26)
5.00 Tim Macdermot (25)

WOMEN:
4.56 Alana Boyd (24)
4.35 Vicky Parnov (18)
4.20 Rosanna Ditton (29)
4.05 Melanie Adams (20)
4.05 Liz Parnov (14)
4.00 Amanda Bisk (22)
3.90 Rachel Birtles (18)
3.90 Miranda Tiong (20)
3.90 Jamie Scroop (20)

The Western Australia-based vaulters are in purple. The claims for dominance from that state are not overly strong either...

Data from http://www.athletics.com.au/community/s ... rrent_list

[twinpeeks]

ridiculous statement.

You could have built a similar long list for the US 100m a few years ago, but look at what happened this year.[/quote]