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  • joeltetreault
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    Originally posted by mump boy

    i'm not convinced of jelimos potential over 1500 yet she's only just moved up from 400 !!! i know she's strong but it takes some serious endurance to run 3.55. it's like expecting kratochvilova to run 3.55.

    she's full of suprises thought so i wouldn't rule it out :-)
    I agree, I have my doubts given her 400/800 background but she seems to be such a raw talent that anything goes right now. Jepkosgei also has routinely run 1500s every year and her results haven't been as bright as her 800m times - she sports a best of 4:08.

    As for the original question of doing the 1500 at Berlin - will the Russians be there? I haven't heard whether their suspensions will be backdated or not.

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  • mump boy
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    Re: Should Defar Run 1500 or 10K in Berlin Next Year?

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  • nevetsllim
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    Re: Should Defar Run 1500 or 10K in Berlin Next Year?

    [quote=mump boy]
    Originally posted by Gleason
    Originally posted by "mump boy":1epg2suo
    Originally posted by doug091463
    jelimo will run a mile on february 21st, what would be even better is in july or august have jelimo run a 1500 a distance she would be moving up to and have defar and dibaba move down to the 1500 for that race, to make it even better have a rabbit bringing them on a sub 3:55 pace and just to make sure we dont get a donovan bailey vs michael johnson match race where one quits because they are losing and the other jogs to victory have jelimo, defar and dibaba in with the top 10 for 1500 meter specialist, now that would be a fun race.
    i'm not convinced of jelimos potential over 1500 yet she's only just moved up from 400 !!! i know she's strong but it takes some serious endurance to run 3.55. it's like expecting kratochvilova to run 3.55.

    she's full of suprises thought so i wouldn't rule it out :-)
    Kratochvilova was ranked # 6 in 1981 T&FN 100 with 11.09 & defeated Koch in 1983 European Cup 200, so she was a sprinter who moved up to 800. Jelimo was world ranked in nothing before 2008.
    i think it is very possible that jelimo will run a great 1500 but let'snot get carried away. maria mutola is an amazing 800 runner with great strength but her 1500 best remained at 4:01.50 which is respectable but hardly earth shattering. it may be that jelimo is a speed based 800 runner rather than an endurance one. we will soon find out :-)[/quote:1epg2suo]

    I've always thought Mutola never fulfilled her potential at 1500m. She made the Olympic 1500m final in 1992 (which was her first and last major 1500m champs at the age of 19) and she ran 4:02 in the final, which was her sixth race of the Games and in the final, Mutola was on sub-4:00 pace at the bell, before fading a bit. Perhaps if she was fresher, she could have gone sub-4?

    Olizarenko is an example of an 800m runner with superb 1500m strength. She ran 1:53 and 3:56, and I also think she was a sub-51sec 400m runner!

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  • eldrick
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    Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
    And both Defar, Dibaba (and possibly to some extent Cheruiyot) almost certainly have a faster than 8:22 3k in them
    you can take for granted that defar has <8'22 :

    defar holds 2M wr at 8'58 which with standard 1.08 conversion gives

    ~ 8'18

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  • Gleason
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    Re: Should Defar Run 1500 or 10K in Berlin Next Year?

    [quote=mump boy]
    Originally posted by Gleason
    Originally posted by "mump boy":e29hemiw
    Originally posted by doug091463
    jelimo will run a mile on february 21st, what would be even better is in july or august have jelimo run a 1500 a distance she would be moving up to and have defar and dibaba move down to the 1500 for that race, to make it even better have a rabbit bringing them on a sub 3:55 pace and just to make sure we dont get a donovan bailey vs michael johnson match race where one quits because they are losing and the other jogs to victory have jelimo, defar and dibaba in with the top 10 for 1500 meter specialist, now that would be a fun race.
    i'm not convinced of jelimos potential over 1500 yet she's only just moved up from 400 !!! i know she's strong but it takes some serious endurance to run 3.55. it's like expecting kratochvilova to run 3.55.

    she's full of suprises thought so i wouldn't rule it out :-)
    Kratochvilova was ranked # 6 in 1981 T&FN 100 with 11.09 & defeated Koch in 1983 European Cup 200, so she was a sprinter who moved up to 800. Jelimo was world ranked in nothing before 2008.
    i know perfectly well who kratochvilova is and her accomplishments. jelimo was 17 before 2008 so i woudn't expect her to be world ranked anywhere where kratochvilova was 30 in 1981 so had a long history of sprinting behind her before she moved up. as far as i know jelimo was a 400m runner untill this year and none of us know how she will hold up over 1500 so it's a bit premature to get over excited. at the moment from what we know of her she has more in common with kratochvilova (having moved up from 400) than say kazankina who was a distance runner.

    i think it is very possible that jelimo will run a great 1500 but let'snot get carried away. maria mutola is an amazing 800 runner with great strength but her 1500 best remained at 4:01.50 which is respectable but hardly earth shattering. it may be that jelimo is a speed based 800 runner rather than an endurance one. we will soon find out :-)[/quote:e29hemiw]

    I agree. Bring on 2009!

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  • mump boy
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    Re: Should Defar Run 1500 or 10K in Berlin Next Year?

    Originally posted by Gleason
    Originally posted by mump boy
    Originally posted by doug091463
    jelimo will run a mile on february 21st, what would be even better is in july or august have jelimo run a 1500 a distance she would be moving up to and have defar and dibaba move down to the 1500 for that race, to make it even better have a rabbit bringing them on a sub 3:55 pace and just to make sure we dont get a donovan bailey vs michael johnson match race where one quits because they are losing and the other jogs to victory have jelimo, defar and dibaba in with the top 10 for 1500 meter specialist, now that would be a fun race.
    i'm not convinced of jelimos potential over 1500 yet she's only just moved up from 400 !!! i know she's strong but it takes some serious endurance to run 3.55. it's like expecting kratochvilova to run 3.55.

    she's full of suprises thought so i wouldn't rule it out :-)
    Kratochvilova was ranked # 6 in 1981 T&FN 100 with 11.09 & defeated Koch in 1983 European Cup 200, so she was a sprinter who moved up to 800. Jelimo was world ranked in nothing before 2008.
    i know perfectly well who kratochvilova is and her accomplishments. jelimo was 17 before 2008 so i woudn't expect her to be world ranked anywhere where kratochvilova was 30 in 1981 so had a long history of sprinting behind her before she moved up. as far as i know jelimo was a 400m runner untill this year and none of us know how she will hold up over 1500 so it's a bit premature to get over excited. at the moment from what we know of her she has more in common with kratochvilova (having moved up from 400) than say kazankina who was a distance runner.

    i think it is very possible that jelimo will run a great 1500 but let'snot get carried away. maria mutola is an amazing 800 runner with great strength but her 1500 best remained at 4:01.50 which is respectable but hardly earth shattering. it may be that jelimo is a speed based 800 runner rather than an endurance one. we will soon find out :-)

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  • AthleticsInBritain
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    I've long thought Defar and Dibaba capable of something along the lines of 3:55, especially if you consider their 14:11 and 14:12 5k PBs, and take into consideration the last lap speed they demonstrate.

    The only possible points of comparison to other women are the Chinese times, in particular Wang Yunxia who has a 3:51.92 PB according to Pela, or more realistically Tatyana Kazankina, who ran 3:52.47 as well as an 8:22.62 for 3k. And both Defar, Dibaba (and possibly to some extent Cheruiyot) almost certainly have a faster than 8:22 3k in them. Although Kazankina had a 1:54.9 800m under her belt. But certainly 3:57 or better has to be a possibility.

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  • nevetsllim
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    Originally posted by mump boy
    Originally posted by doug091463
    jelimo will run a mile on february 21st, what would be even better is in july or august have jelimo run a 1500 a distance she would be moving up to and have defar and dibaba move down to the 1500 for that race, to make it even better have a rabbit bringing them on a sub 3:55 pace and just to make sure we dont get a donovan bailey vs michael johnson match race where one quits because they are losing and the other jogs to victory have jelimo, defar and dibaba in with the top 10 for 1500 meter specialist, now that would be a fun race.
    i'm not convinced of jelimos potential over 1500 yet she's only just moved up from 400 !!! i know she's strong but it takes some serious endurance to run 3.55. it's like expecting kratochvilova to run 3.55.

    she's full of suprises thought so i wouldn't rule it out :-)
    Still, it will be exciting to see what she can do in the mile - I wasn't planning on going to Brum but with two of my favourites competing (Jelimo and Dibaba), I might turn up after all.

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  • Gleason
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    Should Defar Run 1500 or 10K in Berlin Next Year?

    Originally posted by mump boy
    Originally posted by doug091463
    jelimo will run a mile on february 21st, what would be even better is in july or august have jelimo run a 1500 a distance she would be moving up to and have defar and dibaba move down to the 1500 for that race, to make it even better have a rabbit bringing them on a sub 3:55 pace and just to make sure we dont get a donovan bailey vs michael johnson match race where one quits because they are losing and the other jogs to victory have jelimo, defar and dibaba in with the top 10 for 1500 meter specialist, now that would be a fun race.
    i'm not convinced of jelimos potential over 1500 yet she's only just moved up from 400 !!! i know she's strong but it takes some serious endurance to run 3.55. it's like expecting kratochvilova to run 3.55.

    she's full of suprises thought so i wouldn't rule it out :-)
    Kratochvilova was ranked # 6 in 1981 T&FN 100 with 11.09 & defeated Koch in 1983 European Cup 200, so she was a sprinter who moved up to 800. Jelimo was world ranked in nothing before 2008.

    I agree with gh about Defar & suggest 3 strategies:

    1. Win WCh 5000 by settting WR pace (eg. 68 second laps) in the final to exploit Dibaba's fatigue from 10K. Train & race as a 5000 pace setter in 2009.

    2. Test her endurance by running WCh XC. I know that 8K isn't 10K, but hills make it more of an endurance contest. 2008 WCh was won in 25:10. IF Defar defeats Dibaba there, she should go for 10K & do a Spring WCh "A" qualifying track race.

    3. Run several 1500s in May, June & July. I counted 10 Grand Prix races in 2008. IF she runs sub 4:00, she could decide if she wants to do 1500 as a pace setter or 1500/5000 double which would be reasonable only if she decides to run a wait & kick strategy. That WCh schedule is:
    Tuesday 18Aug 12:05 1500 heats
    Wednesday 19Aug 10:45 5000 heats
    Friday 21Aug 20:00 1500 semis
    Saturday 22Aug 19:35 5000 FINAL
    Sunday 23Aug 1500 1500 FINAL

    I hope that she eschews a repeat of her 2008 OG strategy & chooses 1 of the above.

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  • eldrick
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    defar certainly shoud

    at worst i'd expect a 3'55 ( properly paced with komy going 63/2'06/3'09 & kick ( actually kick at the bell off a 2'53 ) & at best at the 3'52 level

    unlike geb who had no chance of beating hicham & therefore no point in moving down to 1500, there is no gal currently capable of running 3'55, so defar coud dominate this event

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  • mump boy
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    Originally posted by doug091463
    jelimo will run a mile on february 21st, what would be even better is in july or august have jelimo run a 1500 a distance she would be moving up to and have defar and dibaba move down to the 1500 for that race, to make it even better have a rabbit bringing them on a sub 3:55 pace and just to make sure we dont get a donovan bailey vs michael johnson match race where one quits because they are losing and the other jogs to victory have jelimo, defar and dibaba in with the top 10 for 1500 meter specialist, now that would be a fun race.
    i'm not convinced of jelimos potential over 1500 yet she's only just moved up from 400 !!! i know she's strong but it takes some serious endurance to run 3.55. it's like expecting kratochvilova to run 3.55.

    she's full of suprises thought so i wouldn't rule it out :-)

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  • doug091463
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    jelimo will run a mile on february 21st, what would be even better is in july or august have jelimo run a 1500 a distance she would be moving up to and have defar and dibaba move down to the 1500 for that race, to make it even better have a rabbit bringing them on a sub 3:55 pace and just to make sure we dont get a donovan bailey vs michael johnson match race where one quits because they are losing and the other jogs to victory have jelimo, defar and dibaba in with the top 10 for 1500 meter specialist, now that would be a fun race.

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  • nevetsllim
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    Jamal is the only athlete to have explored all the distances. She's a 1:57 800m runner, 1500m world champs, 8:28 3000m runner (won Oslo and Zurich 2005). a 14:51 (?) 5000m runner and a 71-minute half-marathoner.

    I'd love to see Diby and Defar run a 1500m seriously as well. Defar said she could run 3:58 so why not do it?

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  • mump boy
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    firstly welcome back lixy :-)

    i would love to see either of them at 1500 more so defar as dibi has her hands full elsewhere. i often suprises me how unadventurous athletes are would;t you just want to gived one a go just for fun if nothing else ?

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  • gh
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    Given that Defar is 12-11 lifetime over Dibaba in the 5000, it's perhaps just a bit premature to be writing her off in that event. (although the pendulum has swung more to Dibaba's favor in the last few years)

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