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    Was looking at the 2008 lists and found it interesting that while the HS girls from Roosevelt, Greenbelt, Md ran 3:37.02 (awesome), none of them appear in the top 25 of the open 100/200/400/800. How did they do that? Were any of their open times missed/not listed in T&FN lists? Were they all 56 point runners who just went ballistic at one meet? Who saw that 3:37.02 and who came in 2nd? Is that team still together? Any info will be appreciated.

  • #2
    The Milesplit site shows that the #2,3,4,5,6 400 girls in MD were from Roosevelt.
    55.3
    55.8
    57.3
    57.3
    57.6

    you're right - they had to run lights-out to average 54.3 on their legs.

    #17 on the 2008 list was coached by our own 'guru'.

    3:45.89 Walnut Hills, Cincinnati
    I guess he can 'splain it.

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    • #3
      I could write all day about the fallacy of predicting 4x400 potential with the aggregate open times of it's members, but it basically boils down to two factors.

      1 - Weather. For those of us in the north warm weather doesn't solidly set in until mid-May. We dropped 10 seconds in the 3 weeks from District to State.

      2 - Events. The top 4x4 splits are not always from kids who run the 400 as their main open event.

      Finally, there's nothing like head to head relay competition to bring out seemingly super human performances from kids. Roosevelt and Boys & Girls had a barnburner at NON(same for us at State when we broke the Ohio state record with that 3:45).
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      • #4
        How about their 8:43.12 HSR (2:10.78 average) with the same crew?

        They had individuals run 2:10.25 and 2:12.41 in the open. Their splits at Penn were 2:13.0, 2:08.6, 2:11.9, and 2:09.6.

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        • #5
          Re: 2008 HS Girls 4X400 list leaders

          Originally posted by RAP
          Who saw that 3:37.02 and who came in 2nd? Is that team still together? Any info will be appreciated.
          Includes story and video link.

          http://www.dyestat.com//?pg=us-2008-Out ... nals-4x400
          There are no strings on me

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          • #6
            Roosevelt girls belie most 'conventional' wisdom. They have an extraordinary Cross Country program with some of these same 'sprinter' girls!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Marlow
              Roosevelt girls belie most 'conventional' wisdom. They have an extraordinary Cross Country program with some of these same 'sprinter' girls!
              True, and it helps that they have 1500+ girls in the school.
              There are no strings on me

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              • #8
                Originally posted by guru
                True, and it helps that they have 1500+ girls in the school.
                There's lots of schools bigger - with just as much talent* - coaching makes ALL the difference there.

                *the fact that it's a magnet school and can draw from a very large area, brings the coach even more into the equation, for better or worse. To paraphrase Field of Dreams: if you build a program, they will come.

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                • #9
                  Re: 2008 HS Girls 4X400 list leaders

                  Originally posted by guru
                  Originally posted by RAP
                  Who saw that 3:37.02 and who came in 2nd? Is that team still together? Any info will be appreciated.
                  Includes story and video link.

                  http://www.dyestat.com//?pg=us-2008-Out ... nals-4x400
                  WOW! Tks for the info. Just saw the video. Both were superb. Is that NON meet always held at the same site or does it relocate every year. I must get to one of those.

                  Thanks again for the info.

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                  • #10
                    The NON meet is fixed at North Carolina A&T.

                    http://www.nationalscholastic.org/nikeoutdoor/
                    There are no strings on me

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by guru
                      I could write all day about the fallacy of predicting 4x400 potential with the aggregate open times of it's members, but it basically boils down to two factors.

                      1 - Weather. For those of us in the north warm weather doesn't solidly set in until mid-May. We dropped 10 seconds in the 3 weeks from District to State.

                      2 - Events. The top 4x4 splits are not always from kids who run the 400 as their main open event.

                      Finally, there's nothing like head to head relay competition to bring out seemingly super human performances from kids. Roosevelt and Boys & Girls had a barnburner at NON(same for us at State when we broke the Ohio state record with that 3:45).
                      There's also the factor of what kind of meets the school runs in all year; if it's a neverending sequence of relay meets, no duals/tris kind of thing, the opportunities to put up open times can get rather limited, so those on the relay rarely, if ever, have a chance to show just how good they are in an individual setting.

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                      • #12
                        Believe they are mostly 800m runners moving down, to 4x400, so you are not going to see them on 100, 200, 400 lists.

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                        • #13
                          Roosevelt's NON 4x4 were the same four girls that also won the 4x2 in 1:36.95. Individually, two were in the open 400, one the open 800, and one the 400 Hurdles.
                          There are no strings on me

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by guru
                            I could write all day about the fallacy of predicting 4x400 potential with the aggregate open times of it's members, but it basically boils down to two factors.

                            1 - Weather. For those of us in the north warm weather doesn't solidly set in until mid-May. We dropped 10 seconds in the 3 weeks from District to State.

                            2 - Events. The top 4x4 splits are not always from kids who run the 400 as their main open event.

                            Finally, there's nothing like head to head relay competition to bring out seemingly super human performances from kids. Roosevelt and Boys & Girls had a barnburner at NON(same for us at State when we broke the Ohio state record with that 3:45).
                            Agree entirely with this - I have many boys who step into a 4x4 and blow 'specialists' off the track - particularly in derby races

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by guru

                              2 - Events. The top 4x4 splits are not always from kids who run the 400 as their main open event.

                              Our (PSU's) girls were a dominating force in the 4x400 the past few years using a jumper/multi specialist, an 800 runner, and a hurdler.

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