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  • Bruce Kritzler
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    ...[/quote]

    Because the NCAA allows OT marks to qualify for the nationals, the concept of "legality" has been completely blown away at the collegiate level. And schools are screwing legit school record holders by taking away their marks and giving them to those who don't really deserve it. Coming soon, school records outdoors with 20mph winds.[/quote]

    Doesn't the ncaa already allow qualifying times outdoors with up to 4.0 mps wind? That already makes it confusing for school record!

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by gh
    Coming soon, school records outdoors with 20mph winds.
    Happens all the time in HS, including big invitationals. Either there's no gauge, or it's not working, or the operator doesn't know how to operate it, or they simply don't report wind readings, or the best reason of all (and sadly it almost makes sense): we have no idea whether the wind was legal for the last record, so we're letting this one stand too.

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  • gh
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    Originally posted by polevaultpower
    Originally posted by Jacksf
    Jordan Boase, 46.15 in the 400m.
    That should make him the top collegian this year.
    Yup, just barely, though that does not factor in the oversized track.

    ...
    Because the NCAA allows OT marks to qualify for the nationals, the concept of "legality" has been completely blown away at the collegiate level. And schools are screwing legit school record holders by taking away their marks and giving them to those who don't really deserve it. Coming soon, school records outdoors with 20mph winds.

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  • Cyril
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    Originally posted by KevinM
    Originally posted by Cyril
    Originally posted by ed gee
    I would not consider three races since NCAA cross country in late November "A LOT."

    In high school, he was doubling in some meets. History does not support your post.
    Last year he tripled one meet and was hurt afterward needing time off. He didn't resume until league finals. He missed most of the season.

    I think he's had three high quality races in three or four weeks. Its Feb. with World XC, which should be a short-term priority, around the corner. He's also had a history of injury, including what appeared to be a fairly serious injury in late November.

    Three races in three weeks in May would be another story. Again I hope he continues to kick ass and has the race of his life Worlds.
    Three races in four weekends is not remotely a lot of racing, especially after the extremely light XC season Fernandez raced.

    And with what we're seeing now, that injury in November, while poorly timed, obviously wasn't that serious.
    I hope you're right. I don't see a lot of the top international guys racing this much in Feb. - and they don't even have a collegiate outdoor season around the corner.

    It seems to be working fine now. I hope it continues. He is remarkable.

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  • KevinM
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    Originally posted by Cyril
    Originally posted by ed gee
    I would not consider three races since NCAA cross country in late November "A LOT."

    In high school, he was doubling in some meets. History does not support your post.
    Last year he tripled one meet and was hurt afterward needing time off. He didn't resume until league finals. He missed most of the season.

    I think he's had three high quality races in three or four weeks. Its Feb. with World XC, which should be a short-term priority, around the corner. He's also had a history of injury, including what appeared to be a fairly serious injury in late November.

    Three races in three weeks in May would be another story. Again I hope he continues to kick ass and has the race of his life Worlds.
    Three races in four weekends is not remotely a lot of racing, especially after the extremely light XC season Fernandez raced.

    And with what we're seeing now, that injury in November, while poorly timed, obviously wasn't that serious.

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  • TrackCEO
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    And Tony Young, 46, ran the fastest ever indoor 800 by anyone over 45: 1:55.7!

    Details at:
    http://masterstrack.com/blog/005361.html

    K E N

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  • polevaultpower
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    Originally posted by Jacksf
    Jordan Boase, 46.15 in the 400m.
    That should make him the top collegian this year.
    Yup, just barely, though that does not factor in the oversized track.

    http://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/D ... =M&Event=3

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  • Jacksf
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    Jordan Boase, 46.15 in the 400m.
    That should make him the top collegian this year.

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  • Cyril
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    Originally posted by ed gee
    I would not consider three races since NCAA cross country in late November "A LOT."

    In high school, he was doubling in some meets. History does not support your post.
    Last year he tripled one meet and was hurt afterward needing time off. He didn't resume until league finals. He missed most of the season.

    I think he's had three high quality races in three or four weeks. Its Feb. with World XC, which should be a short-term priority, around the corner. He's also had a history of injury, including what appeared to be a fairly serious injury in late November.

    Three races in three weeks in May would be another story. Again I hope he continues to kick ass and has the race of his life Worlds.

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  • 26mi235
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    Originally posted by richxx87
    German running the 3000m in 7:47.97 puts him ahead of some legendary names in American distance running. Below is TF&N's All-time American juniors. In the 7 months since his HS record run, he's improved by a whopping 12 seconds.
    Using his 3000 split in his 2-mile record is not a good measure of his performance and not the accurate measure of his improvement. His conversion to the 3000 is about 7:56, so this is more like a 8-second improvement; still a lot but not quite so large.

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  • ed gee
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    I would not consider three races since NCAA cross country in late November "A LOT."

    In high school, he was doubling in some meets. History does not support your post.

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  • Cyril
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    Originally posted by richxx87
    German running the 3000m in 7:47.97 puts him ahead of some legendary names in American distance running. Below is TF&N's All-time American juniors. In the 7 months since his HS record run, he's improved by a whopping 12 seconds. And he still has a couple more races this indoor season. It'd be great to see Rupp and German go at it in the 3000m at Indoor Nationals.

    7:47.8+ Jim Ryun (Ks) 05/13/66
    7:49.16 Galen Rupp (Or) 07/17/05
    7:58.02i ----Rupp (NikOr) 03/05/05
    7:58.0 Gerry Lindgren (WaSt) 07/05/65
    7:58.1+ Jeff Nelson (CaHS) 05/06/79
    7:58.40i Gabe Jennings (Stan) 02/14/98
    7:58.4+ ----Lindgren 07/10/65
    7:59.46 ----Jennings 03/14/98
    7:59.7i+ ----Lindgren (SpokAC) 01/30/65
    7:59.83+ German Fernandez (CaHS) 06/20/08
    8:00.8i+ Steve Prefontaine (Or) 01/31/70
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    8:01.08i Hassan Mead (Mn) 02/16/08
    8:01.64i Bob Kennedy (In) 01/21/89
    8:02.4+ Craig Virgin (IlHS) 06/09/73
    German is scary good.

    He does seem to be racing A LOT, especially for someone who has a history of being a bit prone to injury. In high school they were pretty careful not to overdo things. Its only Feb. I sure hope it all works out.

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  • richxx87
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    German running the 3000m in 7:47.97 puts him ahead of some legendary names in American distance running. Below is TF&N's All-time American juniors. In the 7 months since his HS record run, he's improved by a whopping 12 seconds. And he still has a couple more races this indoor season. It'd be great to see Rupp and German go at it in the 3000m at Indoor Nationals.

    7:47.8+ Jim Ryun (Ks) 05/13/66
    7:49.16 Galen Rupp (Or) 07/17/05
    7:58.02i ----Rupp (NikOr) 03/05/05
    7:58.0 Gerry Lindgren (WaSt) 07/05/65
    7:58.1+ Jeff Nelson (CaHS) 05/06/79
    7:58.40i Gabe Jennings (Stan) 02/14/98
    7:58.4+ ----Lindgren 07/10/65
    7:59.46 ----Jennings 03/14/98
    7:59.7i+ ----Lindgren (SpokAC) 01/30/65
    7:59.83+ German Fernandez (CaHS) 06/20/08
    8:00.8i+ Steve Prefontaine (Or) 01/31/70
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    8:01.08i Hassan Mead (Mn) 02/16/08
    8:01.64i Bob Kennedy (In) 01/21/89
    8:02.4+ Craig Virgin (IlHS) 06/09/73

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  • polevaultpower
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    Originally posted by Honusonthesound
    And 17'9" for Scott Roth, or so it seems as I dig through the unfriendly results postings. Good man! I'm glad to see him back, and at relatively full strength, given his long absence. Is he still redshirting? He's listed as UW/Unnattached.
    Yeah, he only did a handful of meets last year, but he did compete indoors last year and redshirted outdoors, so he is redshirting indoors this year I guess.

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  • ed gee
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    Wheating 1:47.03

    More 5000 m qualifiers for NCAAs:

    1 27 David, Tyson Alabama 13:36.76A
    2 459 Eagon, Stuart Nike 13:38.30A
    3 526 Biwott, Shadrack Oregon 13:41.66A
    4 245 Neuman, Kenyon Colorado 13:41.78A
    5 544 Puskedra, Luke Oregon 13:46.52A
    6 444 Fraser, Rory New Mexico 13:49.57P
    7 19 Medigovich, Brian Adams State 13:50.89P
    8 318 Ernest-Jones, Eddi Greater Boise Ru 13:51.92P
    9 9 Braun, Aaron Adams State 13:52.60P
    10 852 Barnicle, Chris Unattached 13:53.63P
    11 548 Wall, Scott Oregon 13:54.20P
    12 379 Wissel, Colby Kansas 13:54.95P
    13 992 Schmitt, Jake Washington 13:55.34P
    14 373 Khadraoui, Mohamed Iona 13:57.46P
    15 542 Mercado, Diego Oregon 13:57.79P

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