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  • sprintblox
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    Originally posted by Smoke
    This coach looks forward to the 9 days every four years. It is an event and fun. For doublers it is heaven. No fer of cramming 6 rounds into 4 or 5 days but able to spread the effort out.
    The 2 weekend issue is a decent idea but the travel plans of the athletes is paramount. Asking an athlete to fly from NC to Oregon twice in a week is a lot.
    So what's the problem? Single-event athletes in a 2-weekend format can go home after 1 weekend. And doublers like the 2 weekends because of the rest they get in between. Spectators are the ones having a problem with the 2 weekends, not the athletes.

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  • Smoke
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    Originally posted by tandfman
    Athletes/coaches or fans?
    This coach looks forward to the 9 days every four years. It is an event and fun. For doublers it is heaven. No fer of cramming 6 rounds into 4 or 5 days but able to spread the effort out.
    The 2 weekend issue is a decent idea but the travel plans of the athletes is paramount. Asking an athlete to fly from NC to Oregon twice in a week is a lot. Most sit and train in the city and I will guess this will not change. So what we are looking at is 2 more days of nothing on the track.
    The five day format seems the most appealing in terms of change. Otherwise, leave it as is. 2 weekends is what we have now in theory, you are just moving the finals to Saturdays and Sundays.

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  • dl
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    Now I know why it's called Project 30. We're going backwards 30 years in time to the old days of the AAU when the federation called the shots on where/when athletes could compete:

    "USATF has the right to select our national team and the right to place obligations on those representing the country. USATF's and the USOC's current Statement of Conditions is signed by athletes after they select themselves through place finishes. This new Statement of Conditions will require an athlete's signature prior to being accepted as an international team member. It will stipulate that the athlete, should he or she make the national team, will agree to conditions such as wearing the Team USA uniform in any public appearances, participating in official team activities, abiding by a code of conduct, consulting with USATF's Managing Director on their competitions prior to the Worlds or Olympics and other matters pertaining to preparing for competition. Refusal to sign the contract will jeopardize the athlete's selection to the international team."

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by tandfman
    Athletes/coaches or fans?
    D. all of the above

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  • tandfman
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    Athletes/coaches or fans?

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  • bad hammy
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    Originally posted by tandfman
    What puzzles me a bit about this whole subject is that I've never heard of its being a problem before. IIRC, we've had the same 8 or 9 day format for quite a while--has anyone ever complained about it?
    Yes.

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  • tandfman
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    What puzzles me a bit about this whole subject is that I've never heard of its being a problem before. IIRC, we've had the same 8 or 9 day format for quite a while--has anyone ever complained about it?

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by gh
    And I--rightly or wrongly--remain firmly wedded to the belief that two weekends trump a single one every time, hands down.
    I gotcher back here, buddy. You and me against the world! 8-)

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  • Smoke
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    The trials time frame is a hot topic. Glad to know it. Now here is the elephant in the room, the needs of the athletes on the track, not in their wallets. Is it safer to have the trials over 9 days or 5 days straight?
    The ass kicker is the 6 days over two weekends is exactly the same physical requirement on the athletes. So what are we really talking about here?

    I am pleased with Logans letter, i think he came up with some sensible things. However, there is a fatal flaw, this is all about the Games. USATF matters every year not just when the Games and the USOC matter. Project 30 talks about 2012, meanwhile we have 2 World champs to get through first. The World's Greatest track team is not called that just because we do well at the Games.

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  • gh
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    As much as the business (aka tours) side of T&FN will castigate me for saying this, the wants and needs of a couple of hundred hard-core fans' travel needs are totally irrelevant here.

    The business side of T&FN will hate me? So will some of you here who are lucky enough to have the ability to travel to the OT in whatever form, and I apologize for pissing all over your parade, but as much as I harp on the need to make all meets (not just the OT) spectator-friendly, the success or failure of the OT as a business venture--which is what it boils down to in the end--matters not one whit about out-of-towners. It's made or broken by the locals.

    And for the health of the sport it depends on its TV-ability. And I--rightly or wrongly--remain firmly wedded to the belief that two weekends trump a single one every time, hands down.

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  • lonewolf
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    I think most people attend the OT for the track. Sightseeing is an added bonus that can be accomplished pre or post meet at individual convenience.
    There is a lot of downtime in a ten day schedule, actually twelve with travel, and it is a strain on the time and $$$ of both spectators and officials.
    Limit entries to top 16 pre-OT performances, no prelims for distances above 800 meters. There is no reason for OT to take more than four days, Thursday-Sunday. Employed people can miss only two to four days work if that is an issue.

    Obviously, the local economy will have fewer days to exploit the event but I don't believe the gate will suffer tremendously. I think people will willingly pay higher admisson for four full days (you could have two sessions daily)of meaningful action/finals than for eight half days of sometimes/usually blah prelims. It would condense TV time and provide more hours of worthwhile viewing that, hopefully, would attract more amateur fans.
    There, that is settled. :?:

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  • bhall
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    I'll take 5 consecutive days. But not 6 days over 2 weekends. And maybe the fields should be smaller to facilitate this? I expect anything that impacts the $$$ for USATF and the LOC will be problematic or prices will go up and we'll continue to hurt the live sport.

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  • bhall
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    You miss my point. If I'm going to the west coast for a T&F I expect T&F. Period. I don't expect to have to pay additional ticket or travel prices because T&F isn't part of the package for several days. I have a career where I can splurge.

    Prices for tickets will go up if there are fewer days of action but the same number of seats in the stadium. I'll bet you today $100 that is the case.

    4 off days will kill the vibe. Atlanta Trials were bad in the empty stadium. Two weekends does what good? How about someone actually layout a decent schedule that meets the athelte's needs *today*?

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  • bad hammy
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    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by bhall
    Recommendation 4 is brilliant. I was just thinking how I'd like to fly to Eugene from Atlanta on Thursday watch 3 days of T&F and then fly back to Atlanta for 3 days OR hang out for 3 days in Oregon not getting paid. Then I'll watch 3 more days of T&F and have to take a red eye back to Atlanta so I can actually earn a living. Good to see Doug is thinking of fans with these recommendations. If you're going to go to 2 weekends expect that you're going to cannibalize your traveling fan base.
    Disagree. There's plenty of cool stuff to see and do out there. Nice to have a little down time between exciting weekends. Splurge and take 10 whole days off from work - it the US Olympic Freakin' Trials!
    Disagree. Give me the same four-day format we will use this year to choose the WC squad. I was already in Eugene for ten days last year for the OT and would prefer to use my extra vacation time and $$$ to visit other parts of the world.

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by bhall
    Recommendation 4 is brilliant. I was just thinking how I'd like to fly to Eugene from Atlanta on Thursday watch 3 days of T&F and then fly back to Atlanta for 3 days OR hang out for 3 days in Oregon not getting paid. Then I'll watch 3 more days of T&F and have to take a red eye back to Atlanta so I can actually earn a living. Good to see Doug is thinking of fans with these recommendations. If you're going to go to 2 weekends expect that you're going to cannibalize your traveling fan base.
    Disagree. There's plenty of cool stuff to see and do out there. Nice to have a little down time between exciting weekends. Splurge and take 10 whole days off from work - it the US Olympic Freakin' Trials!

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