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  • jazzcyclist
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    Originally posted by 26mi235
    Originally posted by jazzcyclist
    FYI, according to the IAAF scoring tables, Chante Lowe's same day HJ/LJ double (1248/1173) exceeds the great JJK's career double (1117/1302) by two points. :shock: Amazing! Clearly Vlasic can't hold Lowe's sports bra when it comes to overall athletic ability.
    But Vlasic is the better jumping technician.
    And technique can be improved, while God-given talent can't. But I guess Vlasic can be thankful she's 6'4" and not 5'9" like Lowe is.

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  • 26mi235
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    Originally posted by jazzcyclist
    FYI, according to the IAAF scoring tables, Chante Lowe's same day HJ/LJ double (1248/1173) exceeds the great JJK's career double (1117/1302) by two points. :shock: Amazing! Clearly Vlasic can't hold Lowe's sports bra when it comes to overall athletic ability.
    But Vlasic is the better jumping technician.

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  • jazzcyclist
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    FYI, according to the IAAF scoring tables, Chante Lowe's same day HJ/LJ double (1248/1173) exceeds the great JJK's career double (1117/1302) by two points. :shock: Amazing! Clearly Vlasic can't hold Lowe's sports bra when it comes to overall athletic ability.

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  • cacique
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    what were aldama's best HJ, LJ and TJ marks?

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  • 26mi235
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    two hours between those events.

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  • Jon
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    Originally posted by Jon
    The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that Chaunte Howard-Lowe's 6.61m/2.00m is the best one-day LJ/HJ double in history.
    Not now it ain't. 2.05m/6.90m in one day. Incredible.

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  • LopenUupunut
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    Men's HJ is a bit weak at the moment, which makes it more forgiving. Even so, Thomas was just one gold, and that a surprise - it's not as if multiple jumpers with really awkward techniques have been dominating mHJ... As for mLJ, there just aren't any speed-based they-don't-give-us-style-points guys really trying right now!

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  • 26mi235
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    Interesting, women LJs can win medals with poor form but not HJers, and for men it is the reverse (with DT winning Golds, but not many notable medals from poor-form LJers).

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  • Gabriella
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    Running and 'jumping high' is no more natural an action then running and 'jumping long', so I disagree that 'hops' come more natural. Maybe it does to boys who have played BB from an early age, but that is not 'natural', that is a learned and practised action. Besides, basketball is nowhere near as popular in Europe as it is in the States.

    Marion Jones and Brittany Reese are two examples of elite women LJ medalists with awful form. Chris Tomlinson is a good example on the mens side. I can't think of any female HJ medalist of recent years who had really poor technique yet still medalled. To get to the top end of the HJ your form has to be excellent, otherwise you have to have an outstanding ability to spring. With the long jump you can get to top end distances with relatively poor form.

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  • 26mi235
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    Originally posted by Gabriella
    The world lists are misleading as more women probably LJ than HJ and when you get to the top end, the HJ is very much a specialised event, while you can get away with a decent LJ and minimum technique.
    ???

    So Donald Thomas had great technique but was not a very good jumper. The HJ might be the event that is most 'natural', at least for males, because the 'hops' (as gh calls it) is the most important thing and comes rather naturally and from doing similar things like BB.

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  • Gabriella
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    Also of note is the ever improving Melanie Bauschke from Germany, who has a 1.90 HJ and a 6.83 LJ. She ran a mediocre 7.8 over 60m indoors this winter, so perhaps she has heptathlon potential too.

    The world lists are misleading as more women probably LJ than HJ and when you get to the top end, the HJ is very much a specialised event, while you can get away with a decent LJ and minimum technique.

    The heptathlon scoring is pretty fair for the jumps:
    A 1.80 HJ gets you 978 points, compared to a 6.41 LJ.
    A 1.86 HJ gets you 1054 points, compared to a 6.64 LJ.
    A 1.90 HJ gets you 1106 points, compared to a 6.80 LJ (1105 pts)

    If an athlete can jump 1.8 in the HJ, she can generally jump 6.4 in the LJ.

    Historically heptathletes get better LJ results than HJ; the LJ is easier to master, and generally power based hepathletes are often more explosive in the LJ than HJ, but there is no hard and fast rule: while Denise Lewis, Natalya Dobrynska & especially Sabine John are/were probably better LJ'ers than HJ'ers, on the other hand Larissa Turchinskaya, Ghada Shouaa & Sabine Braun were more consistent in the HJ.

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  • AS
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    The heptathlon talk is intersting but perhaps a little overstated.

    Looking at pela's all time list for HJ, i can't see a mark with "H" anywhere, which would indicate the highest possible mark is 1.97m...

    Best all-time LJ marks (1 per athlete) in hep:
    7.27 +0.7 Jackie Joyner-Kersee Seoul 24.09.1988 (HJed 1.86 on 1st day)
    6.97 +1.7 Carolina Klüft Tallinn 04.07.2004 (HJed 1.86 on 1st day)
    6.95 +1.0 Heike Drechsler Talence 11.09.1994 (HJed 1.84 on 1st day)
    6.93 +0.3 Svetlana Moskalets Götzis 28.05.1995
    6.90 +1.8 Sabine John Magdeburg 23.05.1982

    Of very high HJs in top Hep marks, the LJs were:

    Kluft 1.95, 6.85 (Osaka 07)
    JJK 1.93, 7.00 (Indy 88)
    Braun 1.93, 6.63w (Gotzis 92)
    Barber 1.93, 6.85 (Gotzis 00)

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  • Jon
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    Originally posted by 26mi235
    Originally posted by Jon
    The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that Chaunte Howard-Lowe's 6.61m/2.00m is the best one-day LJ/HJ double in history.
    This is at least partially the result of the Heptathlon schedule; if both the LJ and HJ were on the same day (e.g., switching the 100h and the LJ), there were be more good doubles.
    Which is pretty much what I said above.

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  • 26mi235
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    Originally posted by Jon
    Going back to the one-day LJ/HJ double, I'm surprised Rhonda Watkins has not yet been mentioned. Probably her best one-day double was when she set her LJ PB of 6.82m; she high jumped 1.81m that same day. Still not as good as Howard-Lowe, though.

    The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that Chaunte Howard-Lowe's 6.61m/2.00m is the best one-day LJ/HJ double in history.
    This is at least partially the result of the Heptathlon schedule; if both the LJ and HJ were on the same day (e.g., switching the 100h and the LJ), there were be more good doubles, such as the aforementioned Swedish and American record holders.

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  • Jon
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    Going back to the one-day LJ/HJ double, I'm surprised Rhonda Watkins has not yet been mentioned. Probably her best one-day double was when she set her LJ PB of 6.82m; she high jumped 1.81m that same day. Still not as good as Howard-Lowe, though.

    The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that Chaunte Howard-Lowe's 6.61m/2.00m is the best one-day LJ/HJ double in history.

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