Latest doping violations (Vaden, Pope)

[Jon]

Jordan Vaden's positive was mentioned on another thread. 20.59m shot putter Mitchell Pope has also been hit with a two year ban after testing positive for boldenone (whatever that is!). A few more recent positives here:
http://www.iaaf.org/news/kind=100/newsid=49780.html

The only other notable one is Russian javelin thrower Lada Chernova, who set her 63.35m PB in 2007 at age 37.

[nevetsllim]

Weren't there a lot of murmurings going on about Vaden in 2006?

Another Russian bites the dust :roll: Wonder how many more there will be this year...

[nevetsllim]

I don't think it was mentioned on here but Elizabeth Muthuka, who set a Kenyan 400m record of 50.82 at the age of 33 also tested positive fairly recently.

[dl]

Weren't there a lot of murmurings going on about Vaden in 2006?

Another Russian bites the dust :roll: Wonder how many more there will be this year...

Came out of nowhere to run 19.98 for 2nd at US Nationals, then went back to mediocrity.

[Kai88]

Anyone know who is training group and coach are ??

[dl]

Anyone know who is training group and coach are ??

Site doesn't seem to be up to date:

http://www.jordanvaden.com/bio.htm

[gh]

Pope isn't "new"; his hit from USADA was reported on the front page on January 30.

[eldrick]

This doping violation relates to a sample collected out-of-competition on 19.08.08.

In conformity with the IAAF Rules, USATF has imposed the following sanction for a first violation:

• 2 years ineligibility (04.02.09 – 03.02.11)
• Disqualification of all results from 19.08.08

there is problem here

a 2y dq is in fact ~ 2.5y

is this a new "trick" ?

inform athlete ( unofficially ) soon after a +ve test & tell them to stop competing whilst the red tape is being sorted out & then drag out the bureaucracy ?6 months, ??1y, so turning 2y bans into 2.5 or even 3y ???

[jjimbojames]

This doping violation relates to a sample collected out-of-competition on 19.08.08.

In conformity with the IAAF Rules, USATF has imposed the following sanction for a first violation:

• 2 years ineligibility (04.02.09 – 03.02.11)
• Disqualification of all results from 19.08.08

there is problem here

a 2y dq is in fact ~ 2.5y

is this a new "trick" ?

inform athlete ( unofficially ) soon after a +ve test & tell them to stop competing whilst the red tape is being sorted out & then drag out the bureaucracy ?6 months, ??1y, so turning 2y bans into 2.5 or even 3y ???

The man has a point. Why oh why do the officials keep getting it wrong - if they want to ban people for longer, they need to get their backsides into gear and change the rules, not make it up as they go along

[tandfman]

Why don't you guys actually read the rules? The period of ineligibility has nothing to do with the nullification of the results. From the time he gave the sample until the date of the beginning of his period of ineligibility, he was not suspended or ineligible and was entirely free to compete. His period of ineligibility is two years, not more.

[eldrick]

eh ?

Disqualification of all results from 19.08.08

6 months of annuled results - in effect banned during this time retrospectively & then another full 2y ban after

how on earth does that reconcile with 2y ban for 1st time offences ?!

when did rules change from "banned for 2y from time of doping +ve" ???

[Jon]

Disqualification of all results from 19.08.08

in effect banned during this time

Being banned and having results annulled are two different things. And in this case Vaden did not compete after 19 July 2008, so he doesn't actually have any results during that time to annul.

[eldrick]

they may not be officially the same thing, but if everything you've done during that time is expunged, meaning you didn't exist, it's tantamount to the same thing

the observation he didn't compete after 19/8 is irrelevant - he may have been told unoffically he had a +ve & was advised or decided by himself not to compete to save expungement of results & prevent embarassement to the authorities ( it woud look ridiculous if he had a confirmed +ve & was still competing for any time after - imagine if he'd actually made peking in that time & cost clean athletes places in quarters, semis or even finals - you can expunge his results but you can't turn back time & forward guys he beat to races they were robbed off competing in ) - it may have been in effect a forced layoff

[tandfman]

they may not be officially the same thing, but if everything you've done during that time is expunged, meaning you didn't exist, it's tantamount to the same thing

One difference is that if he had competed during that period, the performances may have been expunged, but he would not have been guilty of competing while suspended, which is a serious offense.

[AS]

Other than the results being wiped from the sport's "memory", is there any other impact on the athlete from such annulments? Are prizemoneys, medals and expenses also forfeited?

If not, I don't see what the big deal is. The net outcome is the same (a 2 year ban). Vaden wasn't suspended in the interim was he (i.e. can't get credit for "time served")?