fields getting out of hand at Stanford Invitational?

[EPelle]

Cool. The site is a kick-ass one, anyway. He is a first-year university athlete, so his 2008 time was from high school. Keep up the good work.

NB: Thomas' brother, Danny, a grade-11 athlete, won heat-2 in 4.17,67y last night. He'll be a better high school miler than Derek, who was an 800m specialist who has now apparently moved up to the 1.500m in university.

[polevaultpower]

Yes, his missed 1.600m was a Stanford result from 2008. His 1.500m was last evening.

We don't really have 2008 college results in the database. We didn't have a good results importer then, so only a handful of marks are in there, mostly ones we have retroactively done. I have my hands full and then some trying to keep up with 2009!

High school results are mostly uploaded by coaches and meet directors using the very wonderful (and free!) meet registration system. Nearly complete in WA and OR, hit and miss in CA.

[DrJay]

Man, if you wanna watch skinny white guys run around in circles for
6 hours, this is the meet for you!

5:30pm W - 3000m Steeple #2
5:45pm W - 3000m Steeple #1
5:58pm M - 3000m Steeple #2
6:12pm M - 3000m Steeple #1
6:25pm W - 1500m #3
6:32pm W - 1500m #2
6:39pm W - 1500m #1
6:46pm M - 1500m #3
6:52pm M - 1500m #2
6:58pm M - 1500m #1
7:07pm W - 5000m #3
7:27pm W - 5000m #2
7:47pm M - 5000m #3
8:05pm M - 5000m #2
8:23pm W - 5000m #1
8:42pm M - 5000m #1
8:58pm W- 10000m #1
9:36pm M- 10000m #1
10:10pm W - 10000m #2
10:48pm M - 10000m #2

I get 91,000 meters. Hey, maybe next year they can get Geb and KB as a two-man realy team to race the whole lot of them, 45.5 km each.

[EPelle]

Yes, his missed 1.600m was a Stanford result from 2008. His 1.500m was last evening.

[polevaultpower]

Bringing full circle your site and Stanford, one athlete, Derek Thomas, a true first-year collegian and 2nd in his 1.500m heat yesterday (3.45,10), is listed with a 4.21,64 high school 1.600m best. He ran a 4.16,06 at Stanford last year for third. This one was missed.

Are you talking about something missing from athletic.net?

I haven't entered results from Stanford yet, and the high school stuff is incomplete...

[EPelle]

Bringing full circle your site and Stanford, one athlete, Derek Thomas, a true first-year collegian and 2nd in his 1.500m heat yesterday (3.45,10), is listed with a 4.21,64 high school 1.600m best. He ran a 4.16,06 at Stanford last year for third. This one was missed.

[polevaultpower]

I'd see kids with outrageous mile times listed next to their entries, simply for the sake of attempting to make it into the event.

Milesplit has addressed that problem. Most state affiliates of Milesplit (flrunners here in Fla) have a database of most of the meets run with FAT. When you run your registrations thru their product (vice Directathletics) the database enters the best mark - no fudging! If you have no mark, you have no mark, and are seeded last (or not allowed in at all). I LOVE it. No more lying!! That's why we run our first meets as totally open, so everyone can get a mark in the database. When it comes time for the post-season, there will be no more jobbing - you MUST have a good mark from the database to get a good lane in the prelims.

Same thing with athletic.net up here in the Pacific NW.

Also, now that I have athletic.net running for college, it will be easy for meet directors to use it to verify marks if they want. Especially once we get two year's worth of data in the system, since some meets take marks from the previous year.

[bad hammy]

Man, if you wanna watch skinny white guys run around in circles for
6 hours, this is the meet for you!

5:30pm W - 3000m Steeple #2
5:45pm W - 3000m Steeple #1
5:58pm M - 3000m Steeple #2
6:12pm M - 3000m Steeple #1
6:25pm W - 1500m #3
6:32pm W - 1500m #2
6:39pm W - 1500m #1
6:46pm M - 1500m #3
6:52pm M - 1500m #2
6:58pm M - 1500m #1
7:07pm W - 5000m #3
7:27pm W - 5000m #2
7:47pm M - 5000m #3
8:05pm M - 5000m #2
8:23pm W - 5000m #1
8:42pm M - 5000m #1
8:58pm W- 10000m #1
9:36pm M- 10000m #1
10:10pm W - 10000m #2
10:48pm M - 10000m #2

I left when the 1500s were done, and should have left when the 1500w were done.

[26mi235]

One result of note:

1 Klech, David So Oregon 50.75R
2 Hanson, Jake Sr California 51.25R
3 Payne, Bryan Jr Brigham Young 51.99R
4 Hopkins, Jay Fr Washington State 52.27R
5 Walker, Lance Jr Brigham Young 52.94
6 Ahlstrom, Kevin Jr Brigham Young 53.22
7 Page, Nate Sr Brigham Young 53.26
8 Broussard, Michael Fr Sacramento City Col 53.31

So Klech is back in reasonably good shape.

some 5000s, with Arkansas prominent

1 Forrest, Shawn Sr Arkansas 13:28.81R
2 Riley, Jonathan Nike 13:38.76R
3 Ueno, Yuichiro S and B 13:39.42R
4 Bruce, Ben NA Unattached 13:40.61R
5 Heath, Garrett Sr Stanford 13:42.27R
6 Heath, Elliott So Stanford 13:42.59R
7 Cabada, Fernando NA Reebok 13:44.28R
8 Steeds, Mark Sr Georgia State 13:46.85R
9 Crouch, Michael So Queens of Charlotte 13:46.97R
10 Scott, Derek NA Brooks Team Indiana 13:47.28R
11 Estrada, Diego Fr Northern Arizona 13:47.37R
12 Rodriguez, Cele NA Strands 13:47.50R
13 Wall, Scott Sr Oregon 13:49.40R
14 Kibioywo, Felix Jr Auburn 13:50.87R
15 Kipchumba, Alfred So Portland 13:51.09R
16 Burrell, Ian NA McMillanElite 13:56.34R
17 Ashkettle, Ben So Northern Arizona 13:59.67R

1 McCandless, Maureen NA New Balance 15:34.31R
2 Marchand, Racheal NA Unattached 15:39.96R
3 Blood, Nicole Jr Oregon 15:42.13R
4 Chetelat, Laurynne Fr Stanford 15:43.31R
5 Hastings, Amy NA Adidas 15:45.19R
6 Maloy, Elizabeth NA Unattached 15:46.31R
7 Follett, Katie Jr Washington 15:48.72R
8 Allen, Lindsay NA McMillanElite 15:48.97R
9 Lawrence, Mel Fr Washington 15:50.36R
10 Jesang, Janet Jr Western Kentucky 15:52.22R

[rasb]

Man, if you wanna watch skinny white guys run around in circles

Be still, my beating heart . . . :roll:

Fair enough, but what are you going to do during 10/20 races during that time that have a W. in their title? Dare we ask?
And are only Caucasians invited to this Meet?

[Marlow]

Man, if you wanna watch skinny white guys run around in circles

Be still, my beating heart . . . :roll:

[gh]

Man, if you wanna watch skinny white guys run around in circles for
6 hours, this is the meet for you!

5:30pm W - 3000m Steeple #2
5:45pm W - 3000m Steeple #1
5:58pm M - 3000m Steeple #2
6:12pm M - 3000m Steeple #1
6:25pm W - 1500m #3
6:32pm W - 1500m #2
6:39pm W - 1500m #1
6:46pm M - 1500m #3
6:52pm M - 1500m #2
6:58pm M - 1500m #1
7:07pm W - 5000m #3
7:27pm W - 5000m #2
7:47pm M - 5000m #3
8:05pm M - 5000m #2
8:23pm W - 5000m #1
8:42pm M - 5000m #1
8:58pm W- 10000m #1
9:36pm M- 10000m #1
10:10pm W - 10000m #2
10:48pm M - 10000m #2

[26mi235]

One problem with the Stanford meet is that, aside from indoor (SC?, 400h?...?), it is essentially the first meet of the year. Thus, there is no performance history without going back to the prior two years, and that results in both people that are not as good as their marks (the vets) and those that are better (especially FR/SO).

[gh]

Things have changed quite a bit in the past 10 years. Before, you'd see quality distance races at Alabama Relays, Raleigh Relays, SeaRay (Dogwood) Relays, Penn, Drake, etc, but now, Stanford (along with Mt. SAC, although the depth there has probably dropped off) has become THE place for 5000 and 10,000 qualifying times. So no wonder the fields have ballooned.

Last year they had 2 nights of distance running. Not sure why they dropped the second night, but I imagine that took quite a toll on the staff and especially the officials.

Given that it falls on Penn/Drake weekend, guess it won't attract many collegians, but note that Cal's Brutus Hamilton meet has NYRR money this year to help stage a big Q meet for open types. Story was posted a couple of weeks back.

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/displa ... p?id=29260

[Marlow]

I'd see kids with outrageous mile times listed next to their entries, simply for the sake of attempting to make it into the event.

Milesplit has addressed that problem. Most state affiliates of Milesplit (flrunners here in Fla) have a database of most of the meets run with FAT. When you run your registrations thru their product (vice Directathletics) the database enters the best mark - no fudging! If you have no mark, you have no mark, and are seeded last (or not allowed in at all). I LOVE it. No more lying!! That's why we run our first meets as totally open, so everyone can get a mark in the database. When it comes time for the post-season, there will be no more jobbing - you MUST have a good mark from the database to get a good lane in the prelims.