So did Churandy Martina run today or what?

[The Atheist]

I looked on Churandy Martina's official website, and on his 2009 race schedule, it says his first race for this season was scheduled to be today, at UTEP, March 28th, 2009.

Were any of you guys at the meet?

Did he run?

I have been EXTREMELY interested in seeing what Martina opens his season with, particularly in the 200m, given his incredible performance in Beijing, which would have been a high 19.5 to low 19.6 if he would have had optimal wind conditions. If he is off to a better start this season than last season, we could see some great things out of him this season I think, so I am really curious about this supposed season opener listed on his schedule.

Anyone hear anything????

[Marlow]

Oopsy!! ops:

-- UTEP ALL-STARS 'A' DNF
1) Martina, Churandy 2) Shields, Ryan
3) Duzant, Jairo 4) van Lamoen, Rachmil

he's also listed for the 4x4, but the results aren't up for that yet.

http://www.spato.us/results/c2009/utepspringtime/

P.S. Isn't THIS interesting?

1 Carter, Jr., Michael SOUTH PLAINS 16.18m 53-01.00

[The Atheist]

Damn.

Oh well, I was hoping he would run an actual open race anyway since I obviously can't figure much out off a relay race time regardless.

I just hope the DNF was a dropped baton, and not Martina injuring himself or anything like that.

[TrackDaddy]

Oopsy!! ops:

-- UTEP ALL-STARS 'A' DNF
1) Martina, Churandy 2) Shields, Ryan
3) Duzant, Jairo 4) van Lamoen, Rachmil

he's also listed for the 4x4, but the results aren't up for that yet.

http://www.spato.us/results/c2009/utepspringtime/

P.S. Isn't THIS interesting?

[quote:3o9rgyvi]1 Carter, Jr., Michael SOUTH PLAINS 16.18m 53-01.00

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Hmmm...could be.

DeAndra went to Texas Tech and South Plains is a JUCO feeder for them.

[Marlow]

Hmmm...could be.

Tis

http://www.spctexans.com/roster/6/7/183.php

[TrackDaddy]

Wow.

Mike's already given birth to two Champion throwers besides his own feats.

Could a third be on the way?

[Bruce Kritzler]

Re: So did Churandy Martina run today or what?

I have been EXTREMELY interested in seeing what Martina opens his season with, particularly in the 200m, given his incredible performance in Beijing, which would have been a high 19.5 to low 19.6 if he would have had optimal wind conditions.

Yeah, but he only ran 199m!

[eldrick]

Re: So did Churandy Martina run today or what?

I have been EXTREMELY interested in seeing what Martina opens his season with, particularly in the 200m, given his incredible performance in Beijing, which would have been a high 19.5 to low 19.6 if he would have had optimal wind conditions

jrm gives his 19.82 ( -0.9 ) as 19.76 basic

with max 2m/s wind ( he'd be very lucky to get that ! ), that comes out as

19.64

realistically, he couda hoped for just dipping under 19.7 ( as wind there didn't seem to get over about 1.1 ), but getting into 19.5s is overly-optimistic

my bet though, is that he'll go back to long-term grazing in the 20.2 pastures which seemed to be his level of herbivoring before peking

[EPelle]

That last statement does neither Martina nor Prince, who's training him, any justice, whatsoever.

[eldrick]

eh ?

the guy was nobody as far as 200m was concerned entering '08 with 20.20

you'd have needed an electron microscope to detect him on the radar screen as a potential 200 medallist with likes of bolt, 4 americans at 19.6, other americans like zebra battling for a spot, ndure, etc

if someone picked this guy to run 19.76-basic in peking after entering '08 as a 20.20 guy, someone kindly ask them to post next week's lottery numbers

[EPelle]

I'm not interested in what he dropped in the 200m in Beijing as much as I am interested in his 100m performances; he had a steady stream of sub-10,00 times - indicating he is primed to continue under 20,00 in the 200m - not 20,2.

Read more about why athletes improve, and who is helping them get there rather than focusing solely on what they did in previous years.

Martina lost his Olympic medal and his arbitration case. He'll want that hardware in Berlin. He won't find it being a 20,2 athlete, and he lacks no motivation to be better than so.

[eldrick]

I'm not interested in what he dropped in the 200m in Beijing as much as I am interested in his 100m performances; he had a steady stream of sub-10,00 times - indicating he is primed to continue under 20,00 in the 200m - not 20,2.

hmmm...

so obviously degree of dipping below 20 means nothing

a 19.76 is just as expected as a 19.99 ?!?!?!

Read more about why athletes improve, and who is helping them get there rather than focusing solely on what they did in previous years

nonsense

if this year a previous 20.5 guy drops to 19.5, then we just ignore his previous demonstrated ability ?!?!?!

[EPelle]

if this year a previous 20.5 guy drops to 19.5, then we just ignore his previous demonstrated ability ?!?!?!

Martina: 10,06-20,20-46,13 in pre-Olympic year; still in university, though not a university athlete. The 20,5 sprinter, according to your own calculations, will have neither the 10,06 PB and the 46,13 PB. Don't hold your breath 19,5 will happen (even with a monstrous wind).

my bet though, is that he'll go back to long-term grazing in the 20.2 pastures which seemed to be his level of herbivoring before peking

See if it holds water in 2009.

[eldrick]

if this year a previous 20.5 guy drops to 19.5, then we just ignore his previous demonstrated ability ?!?!?!

Martina: 10,06-20,20-46,13 in pre-Olympic year; still in university, though not a university athlete. The 20,5 sprinter, according to your own calculations, will have neither the 10,06 PB and the 46,13 PB. Don't hold your breath 19,5 will happen (even with a monstrous wind)

you seem to have missed the point i mentioned no names

i'm talking a hypothetical athlete

now address the nonsense about ignoring past form

if a 20.5 guy drops to 19.5 ( regardless of 100m ability - plenty of 10-flat guys never broken 20 ), we are supposed to ignore the fact he was nothing more than a 20.5 guy before ?!?!?!

[EPelle]

Useless further discussion if want to continue twisting the subject -- Martina -- into a random, arbitrary, hypothetical athlete. The context of that statement was in line with Martina's future efforts at 200m. He won't be a 20,2 athlete this year, and I asked you to consider why athletes (Martina in this context, as it followed a logical progression of chronological dialogue) improve, and who is helping them get there rather than focusing solely on what they did in previous years.

Is he a 46,13 athlete today? If he ran a 400m all-out, would you not expect him to be in the neighbourhood of 45,6? That's a 0,73s improvement. According to you (0,73 * 0,0625), Martina could look at dropping his 100m 0,045s, or down to 9,88.

A hypothetical situation and speculation on the 400m, but since you like to play with those parametres, do tell why Martina's 200m would be no faster than 20,2 this season if his 100m improved in line with his believed 400m form? Who's to say he won't run one as well. Powell and Bolt have.