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  • eldrick
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    i'm pleased for you that they let you stay & watch him afer you'd completed them

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  • EPelle
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    ISTAF sponsors a great deal of peewee events. You'd be surprised.

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  • eldrick
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    strange

    i'm talking about his fabulous year of '83 - all of 26y ago

    when did they start having peewee events at zurich & istaf ?!

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  • EPelle
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    Originally posted by eldrick
    he ran 3 races in '82 - best of 20.27 in just april
    Funny. Martina's 200m of 20,27 PB was also in april.

    I didn't gain appreciation of Lewis watching from afar on tv. I watched him at the same track meets either as a fan or as a participant in another event.

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  • eldrick
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    no

    Lewis wasn't stuck at 20.2 for 2y prior to it & established at that level

    his main events were 100/lj & barely dabbled at 200 prior to '83

    he ran 6 races in '80 mostly at junior level with best of 20.66, then basically gave it up for next 2y

    he ran 1 race in '81 ( 10.00 over 100 ) - 20.73

    he ran 3 races in '82 - best of 20.27 in just april

    that is no established base at a level - just a hint of potential bearing in mind 10.00

    it was plain obvious from fact that he was the low-altitude wr holder for 100m at 10.00 a whole 2y before he ran 19.75 that with his techically poor 100m ( no discernible starting ability ) that 200m shoud be his better event - an event where the poor start was mitigated by longer distance to run - he shouda been running <20 back in '81 if he'd taken 200 more seriously, but that may have come at expense of lj training, something he likely wasn't keen on - 200m was always his 3rd event upto about '93

    anyone ole enough to remember him at that time knew this was a waiting time-bomb ready to explode over 200 ( you clearly aren't ole enough ) when he took the event with any seriousness

    he duly delivered in '83

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  • EPelle
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    What is an established base? Carl Lewis had already run 200m races from age 18 onward (20,9h; 20,66; 20,73; 20,27; 19,75...). Martina? Began running 200m races from age 18 onward as well.

    Lewis clocked 10,67; 10,21; 10,00; 10,00 and 9,97 during that same time frame. After establishing a 10,00 PB, he dropped 0,46 from his 200m best. Martina, after establishing a 9,93 PB (and his first sub-10 times), dropped his 200m best as well. No surprise.

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  • eldrick
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    Originally posted by RamGoat
    Why are you limiting Martina? You Don't think that people can improve?
    not usually by 0.5s from an established base

    i've already given you the only 2 examples of it ever happening ( & neither of those 2 had what coud be described as an established base - they rarely ran 200s at that point in their career )

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  • RamGoat
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    eldrick i don't understand you...

    Why are you limiting Martina? You Don't think that people can improve?

    I think he is right up the there.. maybe even able to be better than most of his rivals.

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  • eldrick
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    20.24

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  • Powell
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    Originally posted by eldrick
    well, evidence of post-peking race :

    20.24 -0.9 Churandy Martina 2 Lausanne 02/09/2008

    he was back grazing in 20.2 fields ( 20.24-basic )...
    Yes, into head wind. Usain Bolt won this race, and he didn't come close to his performance from Beijing, either. Actually, the time difference was comparable to the Olympic final (Bolt 0.61 ahead in Lausanne vs. 0.52 ahead in Beijing).

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  • eldrick
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    there's a difference given their achievements/expectations/etc

    bolt wouda possibly been a 5 to 10/1 shot to go from 19.75 to 19.30 into a 0.9, given slowing progress in previous coupla years

    chundy wouda been possibly a 25 to 50/1 shot to go from 20.2 to 19.82 into same wind

    only 2 men in history have ploughed that far thru 20 on popping their cherry

    - King from 20.2 to 19.75 - but that's why he was the King

    - Dix from 20.25 to 19.69, but he had some credentials as 10.06AJR & 20.37WJRi

    chundy never gave off similar vibes...

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  • berkeley
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    Originally posted by eldrick

    if someone picked this guy to run 19.76-basic in peking after entering '08 as a 20.20 guy, someone kindly ask them to post next week's lottery numbers
    Bolt improved from 19.75 to 19.30 in the same year, but entering the year as a career 200 specialist. Martina was almost exclusively a 100 man pre-2008.

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  • eldrick
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    Originally posted by EPelle
    Nope. But he was on to something (better training; more intensity; and, more importantly, a focussed international season)
    maybe that'd get you from 20.2 after being stuck there for 2y, down to 20-flat ( & he had all the opportunities do so a year earlier in osaka - but didn't ), but i'm afraid it's incredulous to believe it will get you to 19.76

    I hope you are wrong with the 20,2 analysis. He'd make a great sustained rival for those you earlier mentioned.
    well, evidence of post-peking race :

    20.24 -0.9 Churandy Martina 2 Lausanne 02/09/2008

    he was back grazing in 20.2 fields ( 20.24-basic )...

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  • EPelle
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    Nope. But he was on to something (better training; more intensity; and, more importantly, a focussed international season).

    I hope you are wrong with the 20,2 analysis. He'd make a great sustained rival for those you earlier mentioned.

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  • eldrick
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    thanks for correction

    http://www.trackshark.com/interviews/20 ... artina.php

    prince coached him carib, kitchens coached him from '06 onwards & then back to prince

    Everything (everyone) out of UTEP in 2008 pointed toward Martina possibly being the best in the world one day; he's fast for his age
    you do realise at the time that meant running 9.73 & at worst 19.61 ???

    if anyone seriously believed that of an established 23y ole ~ 10.06/20.20 guy, they wouda needed psychiatric treatment

    you seriously believe that all it takes to go from 20.2 to 19.76 is a simple switchback to school-coach ???

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