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  • #31
    Originally posted by eldrick
    i'll add that this is helluva an ugly, ill-informed, ill-conceived thread

    knee-jerk ugly post is that someone claimed he was always a career-best 400 guy & that's where his talent lay !!!

    absolute nonsense !!!

    19.63 showed where his main talent layed !

    in addition, iirc, he had no interest in 400, but coach made him do it - he wanted to run 100s but got no opportunity until end of college & bust out 10.09 into a wind

    he is an immense 200 talent with slightly lesser 100 talent & lesser still 400
    I agree but "X-Man"'s "rumored hamstring issues" and the excellence of Bolt may force "X-Man" to choose 400 in 2009 as Michael Johnson's hamstring injury forced him to run 400 in 1993.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by tandfman
      Originally posted by jazzcyclist
      For the record, I believe that X-man has the physical ability to join MJ and Bolt by becoming history's third person to have a combined score of over 3800 in the 100, 200 and 400.
      Do you think that any of those guys has the slightest idea what his combined score is? I suspect not.
      My guess is that everyone on this board is a better authority on track and field history and statistics than Bolt or X-man, but I suspect that MJ can hold his own. But I still don't get what your point is. :?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by eldrick
        in addition, iirc, he had no interest in 400, but coach made him do it - he wanted to run 100s but got no opportunity until end of college & bust out 10.09 into a wind
        You recall wrongly. Since X-man arrived at LSU, he wanted to run the 1, 2 and 4 just like he did in high school, but Dennis Shaver made him wait until the end of his sophomore year before he let him run the 1. However, you're right in that he did have to beg Shaver repeatedly before he was allowed to run the 1. I suspect that one of the things that went into Shaver's decision was the release of the NCAA Championship schedule which made the 2/4 double impossible.

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        • #34
          http://www.dyestatcal.com/image/6track/ ... Greene.jpg

          is NOT the impression i got seeing this 4y ago, of a guy interested in 400

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          • #35
            Carter won Florida high school state titles in the 100m, 200m and 400m in 2003 and 2004. No other athlete in the history of the state of Florida has done so.

            45,88 (fastest high school time in USA that year) best as a grade-11 athlete, followed by 45,44 (second-fastest to Merritt's 45,25) as a grade-12 one.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Taliban
              X......Partying too damn hard, crashing Range Rovers, and Gun Charges.....

              Last year was supposed to be the season where he cleaned up his act and he had an injury. I hope he bounces back I want to see him grab his #2 all time spot back in the duece and run a 43.
              If he wants his #2 spot back in the deuce, won't he have to run 19.31? I can see him running 43.x but not 19.3.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
                Originally posted by Taliban
                X......Partying too damn hard, crashing Range Rovers, and Gun Charges.....

                Last year was supposed to be the season where he cleaned up his act and he had an injury. I hope he bounces back I want to see him grab his #2 all time spot back in the duece and run a 43.
                If he wants his #2 spot back in the deuce, won't he have to run 19.31? I can see him running 43.x but not 19.3.
                damn how can I forget the WR was broken. Let me correct myself by saying the #2 American All Time.
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                • #38
                  The bottom line is that my origanl rambling hold true. Carter undoubtably WAS a stellar talent. Unfortunately injury hindered that but that has been the case for so many other greats who stuck to their guns and worked to overocme this.

                  The main issue is that no one with a proven 19.63 at 20 and obvious sub-10.00 potential should ever be irresponsible and place themselves in position to never compete again, even worse repeatedly so. The facts are the facts, and they indicate that there is no gurantee that at 2009 we would have a XC running sub-19.63 or even on the track. We need to remember that other than super god given talent propelling one to 19.63, to tranfer this to 19.32 one requires total dedication to the sport of t&f and t&f only (not football or running from the law).

                  Come on, majority here are coaches and athletes!!!

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                  • #39
                    The other thing to consider is that not all extra curricular affect your on-the-track performance equally. If athlete A is a sexual deviant who eats, sleeps and trains like a world-class athlete, and athlete B eats, parties and drinks like a frat boy and isn't fully dedicated to his or her training regimem, then athlete A will more likely perform better on the track than athlete B, though both athletes might end up in legal jeopardy. The list of athletes throughout the sports world who've let their libido get them into trouble with their spouse and/or law enforcement is pretty lenghty, but many of them are already in or headed to the hall of fame.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Paul Henry
                      or running from the law...
                      i'm firmly of the belief that this makes you faster

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by eldrick
                        i'll add that this is helluva an ugly, ill-informed, ill-conceived thread

                        knee-jerk ugly post is that someone claimed he was always a career-best 400 guy & that's where his talent lay !!!

                        absolute nonsense !!!

                        19.63 showed where his main talent layed !

                        in addition, iirc, he had no interest in 400, but coach made him do it - he wanted to run 100s but got no opportunity until end of college & bust out 10.09 into a wind

                        he is an immense 200 talent with slightly lesser 100 talent & lesser still 400
                        Eldrick, your wrong on his willingness to run the 400. He career in track started in the 400 as a freshman in HS. His freshman year he only ran the 400 and won state running a 46.95, the next year he ran the 200 and 400 and won both running 46.92 and 21.04, his junior year he added the 100 to the other 2 events running a 10.38, 20.69, and 45.88.


                        He has stated on several occasions that he is a quarterhorse at heart, but still is learning how to run the 400 and he has the MOST ability in the 400.

                        The 200 isn't as difficult a race as the 400. His 19.63 is superior to his 400 and his 100. But his 400 is far superior to his 100. One reason is his 100 start is horrible and won't be easily fixed. Also his 100 stride pattern is inconsistent and his results are as well.

                        He trained all last year for the 100 and he consistently ran in the 10.1 range he did no 400 training last year and ran 44.7.

                        His most consistent results event wise are in the 400 and his times and linear progression easily proves that.

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                        • #42
                          IMO, it's very possible that lack of focus was a major contributor to some of his injuries. In my experience, not taking care of yourself properly will eventually catch up with you, usually in the form of injury. If this is the case, then it's also very possible that lack of focus is the main problem here. Either way, I hope things start shaping up for him. I always hate to see a great talent not perform close to their potential, regardless of the reason.

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                          • #43
                            This season has been a challenge. Carter, who's 6-3 and 170 pounds, says he got a late start to training and gained weight. He went to Johnson City, Tenn., where his agent is based, in April to focus on track.

                            "I know I put myself in the hole by not doing some of the things I should have been doing to get myself prepared," said Carter, who showed he's in shape by winning the 200 against a field that included Spearmon, 100 world recordholder Asafa Powell, Crawford and Wariner in the Prefontaine Classic two weeks ago. "I wasn't aware that if I didn't do those things I'd be as far back as I was."
                            http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics ... dash_N.htm

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                            • #44
                              His sprint trainer on hand in Scotland told me roughly the same thing before this article came out.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Who_Cares
                                IMO, it's very possible that lack of focus was a major contributor to some of his injuries. In my experience, not taking care of yourself properly will eventually catch up with you, usually in the form of injury. If this is the case, then it's also very possible that lack of focus is the main problem here. Either way, I hope things start shaping up for him. I always hate to see a great talent not perform close to their potential, regardless of the reason.
                                Does anyone know when "X-Man" will race again? IF he has minor hamstring problems, many races are scheduled in hot weather in the next six weeks, so will he choose those races?
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