Bershawn Jackson: 48.32 [not]

[paulthefan]

Wow, that time, this early!

[f/f]

In 2008, yesterday he scratched

[TrackDaddy]

Very early.

[CookyMonzta]

I'm not exactly impressed. That kind of performance has been done in March. What's the fastest 400H time ever in April?

[Daisy]

I'm not exactly impressed.

:? Man you're hard to please Jackson is the fastest northern hemisphere performance in March, Danny Harris has the April one, but barely.

February
48.02A Ockert Cilliers Pretoria 20.02.2004
48.35A Alwyn Myburgh Pretoria 20.02.2004
48.40 Bryan Bronson Melbourne 25.02.1998
48.47A Ockert Cilliers Potchefstroom 13.02.2004
48.49 Bryan Bronson Sydney 28.02.1998

March
47.83A Llewellyn Herbert Roodepoort 19.03.1999
48.05 Louis van Zyl Melbourne 23.03.2006
48.23 Alwyn Myburgh Melbourne 23.03.2006
48.25A Samuel Matete Roodepoort 19.03.1999
48.35A Llewellyn Herbert Pietersburg 27.03.1997
48.37A Llewellyn Herbert Pretoria 24.03.2000
48.48 Bershawn Jackson Raleigh 27.03.2004
48.49A Dries Vorster Germiston 26.03.1990
48.50A Llewellyn Herbert Pietersburg 18.03.2000

April
48.02A Llewellyn Herbert Pretoria 12.04.2002
48.03A Llewellyn Herbert Germiston 05.04.2002
48.23 Ockert Cilliers Durban 17.04.2004
48.28 Danny Harris DesMoines 25.04.1986
48.32 Bershawn Jackson Lawrence 19.04.2008
48.34 Bershawn Jackson Lawrence 22.04.2006
48.35A Llewellyn Herbert Pretoria 02.04.1997
48.39A Alwyn Myburgh Pretoria 12.04.2002
48.39 Louis van Zyl Durban 16.04.2005
48.49 Chris Rawlinson Walnut 21.04.2002
48.50 Edwin Moses Walnut 21.04.1979

Compliled using data from http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_400hok.htm

[CookyMonzta]

I'm not exactly impressed.

:? Man you're hard to please

You beat me to it.

47.83A Llewellyn Herbert RSA 21.07.77 1 Roodepoort 19.03.1999
48.02A Llewellyn Herbert RSA 21.07.77 1rA Pretoria 12.04.2002

48.02A Ockert Cilliers RSA 21.04.81 1rA Pretoria 20.02.2004
48.03A Llewellyn Herbert RSA 21.07.77 1 Germiston 05.04.2002
48.05 Louis van Zyl RSA 20.07.85 1 Melbourne 23.03.2006
48.23 Ockert Cilliers RSA 21.04.81 1 Durban 17.04.2004
48.23 Alwyn Myburgh RSA 13.10.80 2 Melbourne 23.03.2006
48.25A Samuel Matete ZAM 27.07.68 2 Roodepoort 19.03.1999
48.28 Danny Harris USA 07.09.65 1s Des Moines 25.04.1986

Here is why: Llewellyn Herbert's PR is only .02 faster (47.81), and he ran that in Sydney in 2000. Bershawn Jackson's PR is 47.30.

In 2008, yesterday he scratched

I missed this post. Luckily I went digging for the report, and when that performance came up as last year's results, I knew something was wrong.

[Daisy]

"But most of those races took place in South Africa and were run by South Africans!" Consider that Llewellyn Herbert's PR is only .02 faster (47.81), and he ran that in Sydney in 2000. Bershawn Jackson's PR is 47.30.

I think we are agreeing that the southern hemisphere ones are probably not comparable due tot he different seasons?

Danny Harris was only slightly faster. As I said, you are hard to please

Actually quite impressive how many fast times Jackson has in early season (04, 06 and 08). I was surprised to see Rawlinson's time there too!

[CookyMonzta]

"But most of those races took place in South Africa and were run by South Africans!" Consider that Llewellyn Herbert's PR is only .02 faster (47.81), and he ran that in Sydney in 2000. Bershawn Jackson's PR is 47.30.

I think we are agreeing that the southern hemisphere ones are probably not comparable due tot he different seasons?

Danny Harris was only slightly faster. As I said, you are hard to please

Actually quite impressive how many fast times Jackson has in early season (04, 06 and 08). I was surprised to see Rawlinson's time there too!

Like I said, for a guy whose PR is 47.30, 48.1x should be a walk in the park, even in April. Personally, I usually expect these guys to be running 47.7x or 47.8x in May. That's why I think 48.3x in April is slow.

By the way, that 48.05 low-altitude performance in Melbourne by Louis van Zyl is his best ever. Imagine if Bershawn was in that race. He probably would have broken 48.00 in March, even if March is summer for Australia and South Africa.

[Daisy]

Personally, I usually expect these guys to be running 47.7x or 47.8x in May. That's why I think 48.3x in April is slow.

But look at the empirical data. Hardly any of them ever do run faster in April, so it can't be that slow.

[CookyMonzta]

I'm not exactly impressed.

April
48.50 Edwin Moses Walnut 21.04.1979

Looks like this just answered my question. And Kevin Young never broke 48.50 in April.

I figured 48.32 in April to be slow because I remembered those 48.4x performances of Bronson in February, 1998. And that was before he got dirty. If 48.4 was possible in February, then 48.1 in April should be a cinch. Theoretically.

There was a time, not too long ago (maybe 25 years max.), when fast times were common in April. When was the last WR set in April?

[Dutra]

If Jeremy Wariner ran 45.2 right now he'd be ripped to shreds.

[Daisy]

There was a time, not too long ago (maybe 25 years max.), when fast times were common in April. When was the last WR set in April?

Maybe they just open up easy. No need to blast out early on. Bronson's time might also be due to weather. He ran it in Australia and I bet it was very warm, not like the spring weather in the midwest.

If Jeremy Wariner ran 45.2 right now he'd be ripped to shreds.

Not sure how that equates to a 48.3 time. Surely that would be the equivalent of about a 44.5 for Wariner.

[scoe]

What a load of baloney from Cooky montza.!!

The SA and other southern hemisphere performances by Matete in Feb , March are irelevant to the point made by Daisy , referring to the outstanding nature of Jackson's 48.32. The third best after Danny Harris and Jackson himself. Great stuff.!!!



The other irrelevance is to compare what an athlete did at the height of his season, 47.30. with the start of the season in another year, and what the difference between those performances is. Who cares when assessing an April performance. Not me.

[scoe]

Cooky montza now starts digging a big hole and may consider jumping therein.

48.30 for a 400m hurdles is slow in April he says. Bo***cks :roll: :roll:

As for the stuff about a 400m in 45.2 being worthy of being ripped to shreds. That's an excellent performance for any athlete. when he is required to be running maybe 1.5 to 2 secs faster three and a half months later.

[CookyMonzta]

You didn't see my re-evaluation above, after having looked at Moses' best April performance and the fact that Kevin Young never broke 48.50 in April. My opinion was based on one thing: Bryan Bronson's two performances of 48.4x in February, 1998. No doubt he was probably in perfect shape (before he started going to the dark side), but in February?? Even if it were in Australia, I was more impressed by that than the April performance, and Bronson was probably in top shape for indoors when he ran those 48.4x races.

And Daisy is right; I am hard to please. Maybe it's because I feel more strongly than most do that we're slacking off in the U.S. So, forgive me if my expectations are just a bit higher, even this early. But as far as this topic is concerned, if I've seen a performance like 48.4x in February, naturally I would expect just a little faster in April. Like I said before, 48.1x would really impress me this month. Or did you not read that part?

Now, 10.96 by Jeter in April is really scorching the early spring.