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  • CookyMonzta
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    Because I was far more impressed by those 48.4x performances by Bronson in February, 1998. And that was before he got dirty. Do I think I might have jumped the gun with my opinion on whether 48.3 in April was fast or not for that month? Probably. But I thought 48.4 in February was much better.

    Did I miss something? This is last year's performance we're talking about, no?

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  • EPelle
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    Originally posted by CookyMonzta
    Originally posted by EPelle
    CM, you do realise that Jackson will likely only improve one second on this time from now through the end of september? (His PB is 47,30). In a perfect world, if he exponentially increased his season's best time over the following months, he should run:

    48,1 in may
    47,9 in june
    47,7 in july
    47,5 in august
    47,3 in september

    Jackson ran his second 400mh this season, two months following his last one, and chopped 0,74 off that time (or worth 0,37 per month). He's on schedule against his personal best. Finally, Jackson eclipsed 0,02 off his previous april best, set in 2006, when he ran 47,48. This is a whole three years later, and I can imagine he's happy with his progress against any other time he has competed in april... in his second race of the season.
    Your theoretical progression is exactly what I've been trying to convey. It is not lost on me that most 400m runners run a second slower in April than their PR, at least in North America.
    Why WOULD that time have been unimpressive in that case? It should be a time aligned with the status quo for the month; nothing more and nothing less.

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  • CookyMonzta
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    Originally posted by Daisy
    Originally posted by EPelle
    This is a whole three years later, and I can imagine he's happy with his progress
    Maybe lost in this thread is that the 48.32 was from April 2008?
    Which brings the thread closer to irrelevancy and should be erased, or at least moved to the Historical category. Even I thought the performance was from this year when I posted my first comment. Then I saw the rest of it and checked it out.

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  • CookyMonzta
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    Originally posted by EPelle
    CM, you do realise that Jackson will likely only improve one second on this time from now through the end of september? (His PB is 47,30). In a perfect world, if he exponentially increased his season's best time over the following months, he should run:

    48,1 in may
    47,9 in june
    47,7 in july
    47,5 in august
    47,3 in september

    Jackson ran his second 400mh this season, two months following his last one, and chopped 0,74 off that time (or worth 0,37 per month). He's on schedule against his personal best. Finally, Jackson eclipsed 0,02 off his previous april best, set in 2006, when he ran 47,48. This is a whole three years later, and I can imagine he's happy with his progress against any other time he has competed in april... in his second race of the season.
    Your theoretical progression is exactly what I've been trying to convey. It is not lost on me that most 400m runners run a second slower in April than their PR, at least in North America.

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  • EPelle
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    Good call.

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  • Jon
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    Originally posted by EPelle
    Jackson ran his second 400mh this season... and chopped 0,74 off that time
    Not quite. As Daisy and f/f have said, he did not run the 48.32 last weekend. His only races this year are:
    49.06 in Sydney on Feb 28
    DNF in Melbourne on Mar 5
    49.63 in Tempe on Apr 11
    DNS in Kansas on Apr 18

    I have no idea why paulthefan created this thread about a performance set 12 months ago. The 48.32 was from the 2008 Kansas Relays. Juvier Culson won this year's edition with 49.47:
    http://www.deltatiming.com/results/htre ... 090415F100

    http://www.iaaf.org/news/kind=100/newsid=50247.html
    The invitational Men’s 400m Hurdles lost much of its lustre with the last-minute cancellation by Bershawn Jackson. The Beijing bronze winner had felt a slight hamstring problem during warm-ups.

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  • EPelle
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    Yep. "Finally, Jackson eclipsed 0,02 off his previous april best..."

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by EPelle
    This is a whole three years later, and I can imagine he's happy with his progress
    Maybe lost in this thread is that the 48.32 was from April 2008?

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  • AthleticsInBritain
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    I'm going to say it again: some of you guys are spoiled! :lol:

    There are many countries that won't have 1 runner run sub 49 all year. I'd be delighted for any of our runners to run 48.32 at any point this year never mind in April when no one cares how fast you run.

    Be thankful for what you've got and stop moaning about runners who are likely to take the first 4 places in the Worlds later this year! :lol:

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  • EPelle
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    CM, you do realise that Jackson will likely only improve one second on this time from now through the end of september? (His PB is 47,30). In a perfect world, if he exponentially increased his season's best time over the following months, he should run:

    48,1 in may
    47,9 in june
    47,7 in july
    47,5 in august
    47,3 in september

    Jackson ran his second 400mh this season, two months following his last one, and chopped 0,74 off that time (or worth 0,37 per month). He's on schedule against his personal best. Finally, Jackson eclipsed 0,02 off his previous april best, set in 2006, when he ran 47,48. This is a whole three years later, and I can imagine he's happy with his progress against any other time he has competed in april... in his second race of the season.

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  • mrbowie
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    Cooky...lay off the sugar, pal.

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  • CookyMonzta
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    You didn't see my re-evaluation above, after having looked at Moses' best April performance and the fact that Kevin Young never broke 48.50 in April. My opinion was based on one thing: Bryan Bronson's two performances of 48.4x in February, 1998. No doubt he was probably in perfect shape (before he started going to the dark side), but in February?? Even if it were in Australia, I was more impressed by that than the April performance, and Bronson was probably in top shape for indoors when he ran those 48.4x races.

    And Daisy is right; I am hard to please. Maybe it's because I feel more strongly than most do that we're slacking off in the U.S. So, forgive me if my expectations are just a bit higher, even this early. But as far as this topic is concerned, if I've seen a performance like 48.4x in February, naturally I would expect just a little faster in April. Like I said before, 48.1x would really impress me this month. Or did you not read that part?

    Now, 10.96 by Jeter in April is really scorching the early spring.

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  • scoe
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    Cooky montza now starts digging a big hole and may consider jumping therein.

    48.30 for a 400m hurdles is slow in April he says. Bo***cks :roll: :roll:

    As for the stuff about a 400m in 45.2 being worthy of being ripped to shreds. That's an excellent performance for any athlete. when he is required to be running maybe 1.5 to 2 secs faster three and a half months later.

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  • scoe
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    What a load of baloney from Cooky montza.!!

    The SA and other southern hemisphere performances by Matete in Feb , March are irelevant to the point made by Daisy , referring to the outstanding nature of Jackson's 48.32. The third best after Danny Harris and Jackson himself. Great stuff.!!!



    The other irrelevance is to compare what an athlete did at the height of his season, 47.30. with the start of the season in another year, and what the difference between those performances is. Who cares when assessing an April performance. Not me.

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by CookyMonzta
    There was a time, not too long ago (maybe 25 years max.), when fast times were common in April. When was the last WR set in April?
    Maybe they just open up easy. No need to blast out early on. Bronson's time might also be due to weather. He ran it in Australia and I bet it was very warm, not like the spring weather in the midwest.

    Originally posted by Dutra
    If Jeremy Wariner ran 45.2 right now he'd be ripped to shreds.
    Not sure how that equates to a 48.3 time. Surely that would be the equivalent of about a 44.5 for Wariner.

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