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  • #16
    Originally posted by BE
    The 400 meter capabilities or performances of a 100 meter specialist such as Asafa Powell have absolutely no correlation to their premier short sprint event. Argue with that until you're blue in the face, but it's the truth. Powell runs a PB last year in the 100 and he had run 47 whatever for 400 meters earlier in the year. That means nothing. He's not a 400 runner, has no idea how to run it and has no business running it. He runs 45 seconds for 400 meters this year so what....he's going to run some ridiculous 100 meter time just because he actually put forth effort this year, as opposed to his attempts at 400 in the past? Fiction. If he PB's again this year, it has nothing to do with the 45 second quarter. Because if that were the logic, then surely he would run 9.5 or faster based on his 400 this year compared to last year. And that ain't happening folks.
    It was the mental aspect of the 400m. Sure it may not increase his ultimate speed. But it might be enough to keep him in the race mentally. Just watch the Olympic final.. look to the Point where Dix just comes up beside Asafa and then it was race over for him right there. The 400m training will get him used to running beside/behind people and keeping his composure.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by gh
      I think Ato knows how to generate good news copy.
      I think so too...always the statesman, always the politician. Think he is gunning for a seat at the IAAF down the road. Yeah you heard it first.

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      • #18
        Re: Ato Boldon predicts Asafa will be the MAN in 2009

        Originally posted by Marlow
        Originally posted by jamaicantrackfan
        2. He is pushing himself in his non traditional races such as the fantastic 45.94 in the 400m in Australia which was a very good race for him. He could have run faster if he didn’t jog the first 300m and sprint the last 100m.
        There's a contradiction inherent in that statement.
        Just because one works with a shrink does not guarantee that one's issues disappear. Asafa is a HUGE talent and in a one-off, I'd never bet against him, even with Bolt in the race. But . . . whether he can survive rounds and not 'tie-up' in a World Final remains to be seen.

        I think Asafa is capable of running a 9.70 this year. Bolt could also be capable. Gay and Dix could be in the mid-9.7s. But the fun this year will be seeing who can actually produce. One or two will disappoint.
        Marlow you kno I'm going to be the first to take an issue with the Dix 9.70 this season talk. As I said, running 9.7 is not contageous. I say let Dix keep his role as king of the sand box and we see how he moves up to Pee-Wee league then we take it from there.

        As far as Asafa is concerned, the facts stated by Ato are true as far as what is written on paper is concerned. Safa is so independable when it comes to these meets we just have to negate all realistic issues that concern him showing his 9.7 potential or his superb sprinting form. I just had it with him after he choked at Beijing I was sooooo LET DOWN. I'll bet on him during the grand prix to win remarkabely (possibly taking the record) and then on him to finish behind Dix, BOLT, Thompson, Chambers, Frater and Carter at Berlin. Its a sure bet!!

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        • #19
          Once a guy has a "choker" history he tends to keep it. Hypnosis or no hypnosis. Besides Usain is still a work in progress in the 100. Asafa will probably run sub 9.7, but in Berling he'll finish no higher than 3d.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by jeremyp
            Once a guy has a "choker" history he tends to keep it. Hypnosis or no hypnosis. Besides Usain is still a work in progress in the 100. Asafa will probably run sub 9.7, but in Berling he'll finish no higher than 3d.
            Seeing as how he probably won't be the favorite in Berlin, if he does finish 3rd, would you categorize that as a choke?
            The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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            • #21
              Originally posted by jeremyp
              Once a guy has a "choker" history he tends to keep it. Hypnosis or no hypnosis. Besides Usain is still a work in progress in the 100. Asafa will probably run sub 9.7, but in Berling he'll finish no higher than 3d.
              This not a "challenge" in any way: do you have somebody specific in mind for silver, or just think that no matter what the field Powell will finish no better than 3rd?

              I won't mention any names, but in the early '70s there was a world-class American performer (good enough to become an Olympian in a different sport) who was oh-so-close so many times when it came to the major nationals that one of his rivals said (before the sport switch), "X could find a way to finish 4th in a 3-man competition."

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              • #22
                Originally posted by jeremyp
                Once a guy has a "choker" history he tends to keep it. Hypnosis or no hypnosis. Besides Usain is still a work in progress in the 100. Asafa will probably run sub 9.7, but in Berling he'll finish no higher than 3d.
                Even if he runs sub nine point SIX he will still most likely lose.

                Choking will be completely irrelevant.

                If he doesn't choke, he will lose to Usain Bolt, because Usain Bolt's best is way better than Asafa Powell's non-choking best.

                If he does choke, well, then he will STILL lose. Obviously.

                Usain Bolt is really really fast. If he doesn't get injured, there is no way he is going to lose in Berlin. No way in hell.

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                • #23
                  Re: Ato Boldon predicts Asafa will be the MAN in 2009

                  [/quote]As far as Asafa is concerned, the facts stated by Ato are true as far as what is written on paper is concerned. Safa is so independable when it comes to these meets we just have to negate all realistic issues that concern him showing his 9.7 potential or his superb sprinting form. I just had it with him after he choked at Beijing I was sooooo LET DOWN. I'll bet on him during the grand prix to win remarkabely (possibly taking the record) and then on him to finish behind Dix, BOLT, Thompson, Chambers, Frater and Carter at Berlin. Its a sure bet!![/quote]

                  Agreed.
                  9.69 isn't safe from Powell, he may take the record on the Grand Prix circuit only to lose it and finish down the field when it counts in Berlin, Bolt Dix, Gay Thompson, Martina will all finish ahead of him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by The Atheist
                    [

                    If he doesn't choke, he will lose to Usain Bolt, because Usain Bolt's best is way better than Asafa Powell's non-choking best.

                    .
                    You've been harping on tnis point so far in a couple of posts. Right now there's a 0.03 differential. That is HARDLY way better. It is a little ways better. But you're probably right that Powell won't be bringing his best time to Berlin, and in that setting I expect Bolt to be way better. But give the other argument a rest; you're in hyperbole territory.

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                    • #25
                      I will take specific issue. if Powell is a 9.6 guy, then Bolt is not 'way better' than AP, since it seems 'way better' is at least 0.10 really double that. Bolt is not and will not be a 9.4 guy. I am not saying that AP will win the WCs but if they race enough this year and AP has a good (9.6) year AP will win at least one race.

                      Originally posted by The Atheist
                      Even if he runs sub nine point SIX he will still most likely lose.

                      ... he will lose to Usain Bolt, because Usain Bolt's best is way better than Asafa Powell's non-choking best.


                      Usain Bolt is really really fast. If he doesn't get injured, there is no way he is going to lose in Berlin. No way in hell.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by skiboo
                        Originally posted by The Atheist
                        [

                        If he doesn't choke, he will lose to Usain Bolt, because Usain Bolt's best is way better than Asafa Powell's non-choking best.

                        .
                        You've been harping on tnis point so far in a couple of posts. Right now there's a 0.03 differential. That is HARDLY way better. It is a little ways better. But you're probably right that Powell won't be bringing his best time to Berlin, and in that setting I expect Bolt to be way better. But give the other argument a rest; you're in hyperbole territory.
                        No, actually, there is not only a "0.03" differential.

                        The reason you thought there was only a 0.03 differential is apparently that you don't watch track and field, or if you do, then you don't understand it at all.

                        Although it's true that Bolt's 9.69 would only have been around a 9.64 if he had run to the tape, which is still only a 0.08 differential, he actually proved an even bigger differential in his race a month later where he ran a 9.77 into a 1.3m/s headwind off a .22 reaction time. Taking reaction time and windspeed into account, Bolt's 9.77 in that race was actually faster than a 9.64 in Beijing would have been. Not that you would understand what that means, or why this is true.

                        So yes, Bolt's best is at LEAST a tenth of a second better than Powell's best. The only reason you don't understand why is that you apparently don't actually watch the races, and you just lookup the results on a results pdf file after each meet instead or something. Maybe watch a few races every now and then so that you can comprehend stuff? I don't know how else I can get you to understand what is going on here...

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                        • #27
                          [quote=The Atheist]
                          Originally posted by skiboo
                          Originally posted by "The Atheist":1u4a1f48
                          [

                          If he doesn't choke, he will lose to Usain Bolt, because Usain Bolt's best is way better than Asafa Powell's non-choking best.

                          .
                          You've been harping on tnis point so far in a couple of posts. Right now there's a 0.03 differential. That is HARDLY way better. It is a little ways better. But you're probably right that Powell won't be bringing his best time to Berlin, and in that setting I expect Bolt to be way better. But give the other argument a rest; you're in hyperbole territory.
                          No, actually, there is not only a "0.03" differential.

                          The reason you thought there was only a 0.03 differential is apparently that you don't watch track and field, or if you do, then you don't understand it at all.

                          Although it's true that Bolt's 9.69 would only have been around a 9.64 if he had run to the tape, which is still only a 0.08 differential, he actually proved an even bigger differential in his race a month later where he ran a 9.77 into a 1.3m/s headwind off a .22 reaction time. Taking reaction time and windspeed into account, Bolt's 9.77 in that race was actually faster than a 9.64 in Beijing would have been. Not that you would understand what that means, or why this is true.

                          So yes, Bolt's best is at LEAST a tenth of a second better than Powell's best. The only reason you don't understand why is that you apparently don't actually watch the races, and you just lookup the results on a results pdf file after each meet instead or something. Maybe watch a few races every now and then so that you can comprehend stuff? I don't know how else I can get you to understand what is going on here...[/quote:1u4a1f48]

                          Since you've tried everything else...

                          How about prayer?
                          The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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                          • #28
                            According to JRM's calculator, that 9,77 (-1,3 m/s) is worth 9,69 corrected for wind and altitude. Give Bruxelles the same reaction time as Beijing (0,165), and Bolt is at 9,65, or just outside the 9,64 he's being generously credited for the run he "would have had" had he run through the tape in Beijing. He's not a full 0,10 second faster than Powell.

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                            • #29
                              [quote=TrackDaddy]
                              Originally posted by The Atheist
                              Originally posted by skiboo
                              Originally posted by "The Atheist":37s2jt0s
                              [

                              If he doesn't choke, he will lose to Usain Bolt, because Usain Bolt's best is way better than Asafa Powell's non-choking best.

                              .
                              You've been harping on tnis point so far in a couple of posts. Right now there's a 0.03 differential. That is HARDLY way better. It is a little ways better. But you're probably right that Powell won't be bringing his best time to Berlin, and in that setting I expect Bolt to be way better. But give the other argument a rest; you're in hyperbole territory.
                              No, actually, there is not only a "0.03" differential.

                              The reason you thought there was only a 0.03 differential is apparently that you don't watch track and field, or if you do, then you don't understand it at all.

                              Although it's true that Bolt's 9.69 would only have been around a 9.64 if he had run to the tape, which is still only a 0.08 differential, he actually proved an even bigger differential in his race a month later where he ran a 9.77 into a 1.3m/s headwind off a .22 reaction time. Taking reaction time and windspeed into account, Bolt's 9.77 in that race was actually faster than a 9.64 in Beijing would have been. Not that you would understand what that means, or why this is true.

                              So yes, Bolt's best is at LEAST a tenth of a second better than Powell's best. The only reason you don't understand why is that you apparently don't actually watch the races, and you just lookup the results on a results pdf file after each meet instead or something. Maybe watch a few races every now and then so that you can comprehend stuff? I don't know how else I can get you to understand what is going on here...
                              Since you've tried everything else...

                              How about prayer? [/quote:37s2jt0s]

                              Well, it is an interesting concept I suppose.

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                              • #30
                                You can never tell the future.. Right now we are not sure of the Shape that Bolt is in due to the fact he has only run one 100m race.

                                Besides.. suppose Asafa turns into a 9.6 guy this year? He was the first sprinter that said running 9.6's was possible and that was withing his abilities 8-)

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