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  • donley2
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    Originally posted by gh
    Originally posted by trackstar
    Assuming we're not all dead by then, this delay will actually be good for me. I had a conflict on the original Texas state date and would have missed the meet for the first time in 13 years.
    The big question is, what will it do to the athletes? Will the marks be better than usual because they've had even more time to get in shape, or will too many people be past their peak?

    I suppose a lot might depend on whether or not school's still in. When does the Lone Star school year end?
    Vast majority of the schools are not out until end of the first week in June (right before the new date for state meet).

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  • gh
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    Originally posted by trackstar
    Assuming we're not all dead by then, this delay will actually be good for me. I had a conflict on the original Texas state date and would have missed the meet for the first time in 13 years.
    The big question is, what will it do to the athletes? Will the marks be better than usual because they've had even more time to get in shape, or will too many people be past their peak?

    I suppose a lot might depend on whether or not school's still in. When does the Lone Star school year end?

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  • polevaultpower
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    Originally posted by tandfman
    OK, some Oregon official disagrees with me.

    http://www.ktvz.com/Global/story.asp?S=10287385

    I'm still not convinced this was necessary or advisable.
    What's BS is that they just cancelled the meet. They could have moved it to any number of places, especially if you delay it until Sunday, then you wouldn't conflict with any high school meets. Or even delay it a week and relocate it.

    Absolutely ridiculous. For most of those athletes, their conference championship is the most important meet of their season. This is just devastating to them.

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  • tandfman
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    OK, some Oregon official disagrees with me.

    http://www.ktvz.com/Global/story.asp?S=10287385

    I'm still not convinced this was necessary or advisable.

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  • tandfman
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    The Great Northwest Athletic Conference meet scheduled for this weekend at Western Oregon U. in Monmouth has been cancelled because there because of "a probable case of swine flu." Story on front page.

    Lunacy, if you ask me, but don't ask me--I'm not an epidemiologist or a public health official.

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  • trackstar
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    Assuming we're not all dead by then, this delay will actually be good for me. I had a conflict on the original Texas state date and would have missed the meet for the first time in 13 years.

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  • gh
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    Of course, if we are in the incipient stages of a full-blown epidemic, situation will be worse for the meet in June!

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  • donley2
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    UIL changes it's mind, regionals and state both now rescheduled.

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6401857.html

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  • tandfman
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    Latest cancellation is the University of Delaware Open meet, which was scheduled for Saturday. Story on front page.

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by guru
    What am I missing here?
    Possibly a combination of bad data and the constant expectations of a pandemic causing WHO to pull the trigger a little sooner than usual?

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  • 26mi235
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    Originally posted by guru
    Originally posted by gh
    If one is at all familiar with 1918, you can easily understand why people would err on the side of caution, but if the situation is truly this dire and the feds haven't already stepped in.....

    People are not dying who get treatment for swine flu. As far as I can tell the "non-risk" population isn't dying with or without treatment. The mexican death totals are now, upon further investigation by health professionals, being shown to be largely inflated.

    Meanwhile, this is still somehow still a greater threat to the human race than the annual flu strain that kills tens of thousands.

    What am I missing here?
    The death rate in Mexico is not know because of several reasons. You cite possible mis-attribution of deaths (maybe all flu deaths are 'swine flu' when actually a fraction are from the standard flu. Another reason is that mild cases might not be counted for the denominator. So far there have been no non-Mexican fatalities (the one 'US fatality is a Mexican patient brought up to Houston). Maybe there are multiple strains within the main virus track - influenza mutates continually - and the imported cases are of lesser versions.

    As for why this is more of a problem than the normal flu, this is an entirely new strain and there are many fewer barriers to transmittal (you do not hit low-infectability individuals, now effective vaccine widely used, ...). Also, at least early reports were that it was killing non-old, non-very young - the two vulnerable groups with the highest fatality rates for flu. It seems that some fatalities are due to 'cytokine' storm from excessive defensive reactions. [A cytokine storm, or hypercytokinemia is a potentially fatal immune reaction consisting of a positive feedback loop between cytokines and immune cells, with highly elevated levels of various cytokines.]

    Another factor is one of disease evolution. Apparently there is a mega-Hog farm where this started. That means that the virus can develop in a form that is highly lethal. Normally highly lethal strains cannot easily transmit because the host dies and the disease is not transmitted to enough other hosts. In the concentrated environment of a mega farm there is a 'target rich environment' and having hosts die off does not slow the spread.

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  • lilwayne1814
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    According to the Dallas Morning News, The UIL (Texas' high schools governing body), phone lines have been jammed with coaches, athletes, and parents calling for reconsideration. Initially the UIL announced that it was canceling the 4 REGIONAL MEETS. These meets take the top 2 in each event and advance them to Austin for an all finals competition (STATE MEET). The REGIONAL MEETS were going to be held the weekend of May 1. The STATE MEET was to be held the weekend of MAY 15. Under the altered plan, The UIL was going to take the top 4 performances from all the district meets that comprise each Region and advance them to AUSTIN for a SEMI-FINALS MEET May 14, the day before the STATE MEET. After the protests, The UIL is now considering keeping the standard REGIONAL MEET format and holding it the weekend of May 15 while possibly moving the STATE MEET to the weekend of May 22 or 29. Venues for the REGIONAL MEET will be much easier to come by. The STATE MEET, if held in Austin, brings on a whole new set of problems. The UIL may look for other state locations. A tentative resolution to be announced by weeks end.

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  • guru
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    Originally posted by gh
    If one is at all familiar with 1918, you can easily understand why people would err on the side of caution, but if the situation is truly this dire and the feds haven't already stepped in.....

    People are not dying who get treatment for swine flu. As far as I can tell the "non-risk" population isn't dying with or without treatment. The mexican death totals are now, upon further investigation by health professionals, being shown to be largely inflated.

    Meanwhile, this is still somehow still a greater threat to the human race than the annual flu strain that kills tens of thousands.

    What am I missing here?

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  • gh
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    If one is at all familiar with 1918, you can easily understand why people would err on the side of caution, but if the situation is truly this dire and the feds haven't already stepped in.....

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  • 26mi235
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    I am just guessing here but I had part of this thought above. Lots of organizations have been developing plans for pandemics. The planning has as it background several things, including the 1918 disaster, the deadly SARS outbreak, and the Avian flue (H1N5 or is it H5N1?). These have much higher fatality rates, although the later two have lower transmission rates, especially the Avian version.

    When markers are hit, policies call for certain actions, such as holding off on unnecessary school or school-related events. This may predispose or require action of the polices even though it seems an overly strong response to the current situation.

    My wife was asked by a news reported yesterday about closing the schools here (Wisconsin, Madison). I think she said something like: Actions like that have a substantial cost and people use up vacation and sick days and other such things to cover the change from normal activities. Doing so diminishes the ability to have a prolonged response when the situation is more dire. Note also that Obama's comment is 'cause for concern, not cause for panic'.

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