U.S. men ready for 4x4 WR? [split]

[502CD]

Is the relay WR ready to go down in Berlin?

[TrackDaddy]

Is the relay WR ready to go down in Berlin?

Yes!

Xman to Merritt to Taylor to JDub...

2:54.09

Write it down.

[Half Miler]

Is the relay WR ready to go down in Berlin?

No.

[jazzcyclist]

Is the relay WR ready to go down in Berlin?

Yes!

Xman to Merritt to Taylor to JDub...

2:54.09

Write it down.

That foursome could definitely do it if they all brought their A games.

[tandfman]

Big if.

[kamikaze7]

Is the relay WR ready to go down in Berlin?

Yes!

Xman to Merritt to Taylor to JDub...

2:54.09

Write it down.

NO way !

These guys are no match for a team that had Reynolds, MJ and Watts

[jazzcyclist]

Is the relay WR ready to go down in Berlin?

Yes!

Xman to Merritt to Taylor to JDub...

2:54.09

Write it down.

NO way !

These guys are no match for a team that had Reynolds, MJ and Watts

I disagree. We're not talking about adding up PR's. We're talking about four runners being at or near the top of their game at the same time. In 1993, MJ's best 400 running was yet to come and Watts' and Reynolds' best 400 running was already behind him. MJ never had to deal with runners of the caliber of Jeremy Wariner and Lashawn Merritt during his six global title runs. All MJ had to do was run sub-44 to win, but that won't necessarily be enough to win over the next few years if JW and LM stay healthy and motivated.

[TrackDaddy]

Is the relay WR ready to go down in Berlin?

Yes!

Xman to Merritt to Taylor to JDub...

2:54.09

Write it down.

NO way !

These guys are no match for a team that had Reynolds, MJ and Watts

I disagree. We're not talking about adding up PR's. We're talking about four runners being at or near the top of their game at the same time. In 1993, MJ's best 400 running was yet to come and Watts' and Reynolds' best 400 running was already behind him. MJ never had to deal with runners of the caliber of Jeremy Wariner and Lashawn Merritt during his six global title runs. All MJ had to do was run sub-44 to win, but that won't necessarily be enough to win over the next few years if JW and LM stay healthy and motivated.

I couldn't have said it better, jc.

The US is extremely talented over 400m whether on the flat or hurdling.

This is the deepest we've been since 93.

I'm telling y'all if XMan continues to come around and makes it to Berlin in top condition...

Bam!

2:54:09

[gh]

I say unlikely.

Craft me some believable splits that fit this requirement (using the 2:54.29 as a template): A leadoff guy to run 44.43, then three guys averaging 43.28.

In other words you're essentially asking for four PRs in a row. That's a nasty request at the best of times. But you're asking for them to do it in a meet where everybody on the team has already run multiple races (hopefully multiple-multiple).

And--here's the kicker--in a city where on August 23 at 18:15 the last five years the temperature has read 68, 66, 77, 64, 66. Toss out the anomalous 77 and you're not exactly looking at sprinter weather.

[imaginative]

Not that implausible: Wariner and Merrit in top shape should be able to run
well under 43.28 in a relay. X should be able to take the lead leg in your
required time. Taylor is close to 44 flat in a non-relay and a sub 43.5 would
be verging on the cautious, if he is in shape.

In other words: The question is not whether they have the capability, but
whether the stars are aligned.

(Note: I do not necessarily recommend X on the lead leg. This is just the
easiest way to handle the numbers.)

[lapsus]

I say unlikely.

Craft me some believable splits that fit this requirement (using the 2:54.29 as a template): A leadoff guy to run 44.43, then three guys averaging 43.28.

In other words you're essentially asking for four PRs in a row. That's a nasty request at the best of times. But you're asking for them to do it in a meet where everybody on the team has already run multiple races (hopefully multiple-multiple).

And--here's the kicker--in a city where on August 23 at 18:15 the last five years the temperature has read 68, 66, 77, 64, 66. Toss out the anomalous 77 and you're not exactly looking at sprinter weather.

Hmm... say a flying start gives you 0.5 seconds advantage, maybe a bit more. How about:

Carter 44.6
Merritt 43.0
Taylor 43.7
Wariner 43.0
--
2:54.3

Is this believable?

[gh]

Let's put it this way: two guys in history have run 43.00 or better, MJ and Watts.

Their flat PRs average 43.34.

LM and JW have PRs that average 43.60.

For both to go 43-flat isn't unbelievable, but it's certainly stretching the bounds as I see them.

But then, seeing bounds stretched is one of the best parts of the sport.

[TrackDaddy]

I say unlikely.

Craft me some believable splits that fit this requirement (using the 2:54.29 as a template): A leadoff guy to run 44.43, then three guys averaging 43.28.

In other words you're essentially asking for four PRs in a row. That's a nasty request at the best of times. But you're asking for them to do it in a meet where everybody on the team has already run multiple races (hopefully multiple-multiple).

And--here's the kicker--in a city where on August 23 at 18:15 the last five years the temperature has read 68, 66, 77, 64, 66. Toss out the anomalous 77 and you're not exactly looking at sprinter weather.

I hadn't thought of that. :?

[guruof track]

In order to achieve a WR Merrit would have to run first leg

Merritt 43.44
Angelo 43.28
Carter 43.55
Wariner 43.09


2:54.36 is the fastest plausible time.............. And that being generous with some of the legs

[TrackDaddy]

In order to achieve a WR Merrit would have to run first leg

Merritt 43.44
Angelo 43.28
Carter 43.55
Wariner 43.09


2:54.36 is the fastest plausible time.............. And that being generous with some of the legs

Yeah, Merritt opened up fast on 1st before.

Was it Osaka?

For a 43 on first then it has to be JDub or Merritt.