Galen Rupp is on track to break american 10k record

[STL_Runner]

Re: Galen Rupp is on track to break american 10k record

Even though his time was slow in the pac10 championship,he ran the last 400 in 54 seconds.With that kind of speed he will be able to kick with the best of them.

Were you not the same guy lamenting the fact that Rupp isn't running 27 minutes yet this season? That his first race was meaningless? This one was even slower. Your logic escapes me.

Real simple - he has no logic.

[ed gee]

Good point, jazzcyclist. Non-African would have been more accurate than Caucasian.

[SQUACKEE]

Will Rupp become the fastest white guy at 10,000 in the history of the world? I dont see anything to suggest 27 flat yet. If i had to guess i think his potential is 27:10-20. I would love to be wrong.

[jhc68]

Another startling thing about the all-time 10K list is the age of some of the sub-27 runners.

Given that East African birth-dates are sometimes controversial, if taken at face value lots of the fastest 10Ks have been run by guys not much older or (in some cases) younger than Rupp. We Americans still tend to think of Rupp as a developing kid, but in the hard-edged world of the 10K elite, that may not be the case!

[ed gee]

The top ten non-African born runners on the US all time list must not be aware of this fact as they are the minority.

Nenow, Culpepper and Bickford were late twenties when they ran their PBs, the other seven were 26 or younger.

Nor does a brief glance at the steeple, 3000 and 5000 lists appear to demonstrate a majority of runners in their late twenties or early thirties at the time of their bests.

Perhaps peaking is different than running personal bests.

Based, at least partially, on the fact that US distance runners generally peak in their late twenties - mid thirties, and Rupp seems to have the mid-range speed necessary (I'd give him 3:36 or so for the 1500).

[Dutra]

Well it takes speed period to run against the africans and Galen is doing a great job not peaking before the summer.Galen may break 27 this summer in the right race.

This summer might be a little too soon, but get under 27? Why not? I don't think you're too far out on a limb here. He has talent and is doing everything right. But I think it might happen in a perfectly set up competition (not overly-rabbited, mind you, just a bunch of guys going after the record/big incentive bucks) such as Van Damme in an off-championship, non-Olympics year.

As far as getting his 5,000m. time down, that's important. But I do think he could run 13:10 right now, or at least get darn close. Goucher did, with an outdoor mile best only slightly faster than Rupp has done more than once + indoors. Only trouble is I also think 13:10 isn't equivalent to sub-27; maybe more like sub-13 = sub-27. Not sure what the books say about being comparable, just going off the top of my head.

2 times 5k time plus 1 minute is probably going to get you a ballpark figure so I don't think you're far off with the 13min barrier having some importance.

[Brian]

As far as getting his 5,000m. time down, that's important. But I do think he could run 13:10 right now, or at least get darn close. Goucher did, with an outdoor mile best only slightly faster than Rupp has done more than once + indoors. Only trouble is I also think 13:10 isn't equivalent to sub-27; maybe more like sub-13 = sub-27. Not sure what the books say about being comparable, just going off the top of my head.

2 times 5k time plus 1 minute is probably going to get you a ballpark figure so I don't think you're far off with the 13min barrier having some importance.

The top of my head thanks you!

And my clavicle sends its regards.

[williamwindhamjr]

This is to stl runner or have you ever even run.My credentials come from actually running Div1 track and field,xc unlike yourself.I said that Galen Rupp does not need to run meaningless races,it has nothing to do with his ability.You are a recreational runner at best.You have read a couple of track and field magazines,so now you know something.Its okay to have an opinion,just not okay to be an ........

[EPelle]

STL_Runner ran high school track in Wisconsin and then to University of Wisconsin (Platteville). Who cares if it was not DI -- he still competed. Your claim to fame is following John Trautman around a field near you. I competed against John Trautman as well -- at the Pepsi meet vs Oregon and WSU at Eugene.

And your point?

[williamwindhamjr]

I dont need your respect.I write in these forums because I enjoy doing so.I also enjoy someone talking about my remedial skills.Unlike yourself,I was born and raised in the bronx,not crybabyland.I am sitting here enjoying a cold glass of water.Enjoy your beer.

[joeltetreault]

I figured looking at some statistics would shed some light on how what sort of 5000m mark usually goes with a sub27:00 10000m. Below are all sub27min 10000m runners and their 5000m PB:

http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists ... etail.html

01. 26:17.53 Kenenisa Bekele - 12:37.35
02. 26:22.75 Haile Gebrselassie 12:39:36
03. 26:27.85 Paul Tergat - 12:49.87
04. 26:30.03 Nicholas Kemboi - 13:01.14
05. 26:30.74 Abebe Dinkesa - 12:55.58
06. 26:35.63 Micah Kogo - 13:00.77
07. 26:36.26 Paul Koech - 12:56.29
08. 26:37.25 Zersenay Tadese - 12:59.27
09. 26:38.08 Salah Hissou - 12:50.80
10. 26:38.76 Ahmad Hassan Abdullah - 12:56.27
11. 26:39.69 Sileshi Sihine - 12:47.04
12. 26:39.77 Boniface Toroitich Kiprop - 12:57.11
13. 26:41.75 Samuel Kamau Wanjiru - 13:12.40
14. 26:49.02 Eliud Kipchoge - 12:46.53
15. 26:49.20 Moses Ndiema Masai - 12:50.55
16. 26:49.38 Sammy Kipketer - 12:52.33
17. 26:49.55 Moses Cheruiyot Mosop - 12:54.46
18. 26:49.90 Assefa Mezgebu - 12:53.84
19. 26:50.20 Richard Limo - 12:56.72
20. 26:51.49 Charles Waweru Kamathi - 13:02.51
21. 26:52.23 William Sigei - 13:06.15
22. 26:52.30 Mohammed Mourhit - 12:49.71
23. 26:52.33 Gebre-egziabher Gebremariam - 12:52.80
24. 26:52.87 John Cheruiyot Korir - 13:09.58
25. 26:52.93 Mark Bett Kipkinyor - 12:55.63
26. 26:57.08 Leonard Patrick Komon - 13:04.12
27. 26:57.36 Josephat Muchiri Ndambiri - 13:05.33
28. 26:58.38 Yobes Ondieki - 13:01.82
29. 26:59.61 Bernard Kiprop Kipyego - 13:09.96
30. 26:59.88 Martin Irungu Mathathi - 13:03.84

Out of the 30 sub27 guys, 11 have never broken 13min for the 5000m, though to be fair a few of them (in particular Wanjiru) did not run it that often. In addition, all but Wanjiru have run under 13:10 suggesting that might be the lower limit for how "slow" one's 5000m can be for breaking 27min.

Also notable is that the athletes who ran 26:57-27:00 (places 26 through 30 on the list) did not break 13:00 but were close. I'd say that Dutra's conversion is pretty useful for ballparking purposes.

[williamwindhamjr]

to jhc68 63 0r whatever

If you wanna defend someones maybe you should try a woman and not a grown man.

[jhc68]

Good one, Will ! That's the perfect response for you.

[gh]

enough.

[Gleason]

Chelanga from liberty ran a 2728 earlier this year.Galen beat him in a american record at 5k indoor,and during the xc nationals

I don't care about race/ethnicity. I do care about improving U.S. distance running standards.

Goucher and Flanagan ran shorter distances in the years and months before their bronze medals at Osaka & Bejing over 10K. Geb ran 3000 and even 1500 indoors, so Rupp's running shorter distances may prepare him for Berlin.

He probably won't earn a medal, but he placed 11th at Osaka & 13th at Bejing. IF he places in the top 10 or even in the top six at Berlin his running shorter distances would not have harmed him and may have helped him IMHO.