Galen Rupp is on track to break american 10k record

[EPelle]

STL_Runner ran high school track in Wisconsin and then to University of Wisconsin (Platteville). Who cares if it was not DI -- he still competed. Your claim to fame is following John Trautman around a field near you. I competed against John Trautman as well -- at the Pepsi meet vs Oregon and WSU at Eugene.

And your point?

[williamwindhamjr]

This is to stl runner or have you ever even run.My credentials come from actually running Div1 track and field,xc unlike yourself.I said that Galen Rupp does not need to run meaningless races,it has nothing to do with his ability.You are a recreational runner at best.You have read a couple of track and field magazines,so now you know something.Its okay to have an opinion,just not okay to be an ........

[Brian]

As far as getting his 5,000m. time down, that's important. But I do think he could run 13:10 right now, or at least get darn close. Goucher did, with an outdoor mile best only slightly faster than Rupp has done more than once + indoors. Only trouble is I also think 13:10 isn't equivalent to sub-27; maybe more like sub-13 = sub-27. Not sure what the books say about being comparable, just going off the top of my head.

2 times 5k time plus 1 minute is probably going to get you a ballpark figure so I don't think you're far off with the 13min barrier having some importance.

The top of my head thanks you!

And my clavicle sends its regards.

[Dutra]

Well it takes speed period to run against the africans and Galen is doing a great job not peaking before the summer.Galen may break 27 this summer in the right race.

This summer might be a little too soon, but get under 27? Why not? I don't think you're too far out on a limb here. He has talent and is doing everything right. But I think it might happen in a perfectly set up competition (not overly-rabbited, mind you, just a bunch of guys going after the record/big incentive bucks) such as Van Damme in an off-championship, non-Olympics year.

As far as getting his 5,000m. time down, that's important. But I do think he could run 13:10 right now, or at least get darn close. Goucher did, with an outdoor mile best only slightly faster than Rupp has done more than once + indoors. Only trouble is I also think 13:10 isn't equivalent to sub-27; maybe more like sub-13 = sub-27. Not sure what the books say about being comparable, just going off the top of my head.

2 times 5k time plus 1 minute is probably going to get you a ballpark figure so I don't think you're far off with the 13min barrier having some importance.

[ed gee]

The top ten non-African born runners on the US all time list must not be aware of this fact as they are the minority.

Nenow, Culpepper and Bickford were late twenties when they ran their PBs, the other seven were 26 or younger.

Nor does a brief glance at the steeple, 3000 and 5000 lists appear to demonstrate a majority of runners in their late twenties or early thirties at the time of their bests.

Perhaps peaking is different than running personal bests.

Based, at least partially, on the fact that US distance runners generally peak in their late twenties - mid thirties, and Rupp seems to have the mid-range speed necessary (I'd give him 3:36 or so for the 1500).

[jhc68]

Another startling thing about the all-time 10K list is the age of some of the sub-27 runners.

Given that East African birth-dates are sometimes controversial, if taken at face value lots of the fastest 10Ks have been run by guys not much older or (in some cases) younger than Rupp. We Americans still tend to think of Rupp as a developing kid, but in the hard-edged world of the 10K elite, that may not be the case!

[SQUACKEE]

Will Rupp become the fastest white guy at 10,000 in the history of the world? I dont see anything to suggest 27 flat yet. If i had to guess i think his potential is 27:10-20. I would love to be wrong.

[ed gee]

Good point, jazzcyclist. Non-African would have been more accurate than Caucasian.

[STL_Runner]

Re: Galen Rupp is on track to break american 10k record

Even though his time was slow in the pac10 championship,he ran the last 400 in 54 seconds.With that kind of speed he will be able to kick with the best of them.

Were you not the same guy lamenting the fact that Rupp isn't running 27 minutes yet this season? That his first race was meaningless? This one was even slower. Your logic escapes me.

Real simple - he has no logic.

[jazzcyclist]

perhaps Rupp could run a very fast 10000 without getting sub 13.10... but I would think that's what you'd eb lookign for first.

I agree, but Rupp has run 13:18 indoors and I do think he's capable of 13:09 or so. In any event, it will be a number of years before he gets close to 27:00, but if he avoids injury I think he can do it.

Still blows my mind that the top 107 all-time performances are by Africans.

How "caucasian" is Salah Hissou, anyway?

They might all be Africans, but not necessary Negroid. I believe that anthropologists would consider Hicham El Guerrouj and other North African athletes Caucasoid.

[EPelle]

Re: Galen Rupp is on track to break american 10k record

Even though his time was slow in the pac10 championship,he ran the last 400 in 54 seconds.With that kind of speed he will be able to kick with the best of them.

Were you not the same guy lamenting the fact that Rupp isn't running 27 minutes yet this season? That his first race was meaningless? This one was even slower. Your logic escapes me.

[Brian]

Well it takes speed period to run against the africans and Galen is doing a great job not peaking before the summer.Galen may break 27 this summer in the right race.

This summer might be a little too soon, but get under 27? Why not? I don't think you're too far out on a limb here. He has talent and is doing everything right. But I think it might happen in a perfectly set up competition (not overly-rabbited, mind you, just a bunch of guys going after the record/big incentive bucks) such as Van Damme in an off-championship, non-Olympics year.

As far as getting his 5,000m. time down, that's important. But I do think he could run 13:10 right now, or at least get darn close. Goucher did, with an outdoor mile best only slightly faster than Rupp has done more than once + indoors. Only trouble is I also think 13:10 isn't equivalent to sub-27; maybe more like sub-13 = sub-27. Not sure what the books say about being comparable, just going off the top of my head.


Lots of good points expressed above on this both ways.

[Half Miler]

perhaps Rupp could run a very fast 10000 without getting sub 13.10... but I would think that's what you'd eb lookign for first.

I agree, but Rupp has run 13:18 indoors and I do think he's capable of 13:09 or so. In any event, it will be a number of years before he gets close to 27:00, but if he avoids injury I think he can do it.

Still blows my mind that the top 107 all-time performances are by Africans.

How "caucasian" is Salah Hissou, anyway?

[AS]

I posted these two lists of top non-African 10s and 5s all-time in anotehr thread a few weeks ago.

27:08.23 Arturo Barrios MEX 1989
27:12.47 António Pinto POR 1999
27:13.81 Fernando Mamede POR 1984
27:14.44 Fabián Roncero ESP 1998
27:16.50 Salvatore Antibo ITA 1989

27:17.48 Carlos Lopes POR 1984
27:18.14 Jon Brown GBR 1998
27:18.59 Juan Armando Quintanilla MEX 1994
27:20.56 Mark Nenow USA 1986
27:21.53 Dieter Baumann GER 1997

27:22.20 José Rios ESP 2000
27:22.78 António Martins FRA 1992
27:23.06 Eamonn Martin GBR 1988
27:23.18 Vincent Rousseau BEL 1993
27:24.16 Francesco Panetta ITA 1989

27:24.95 Werner Schildhauer GER 1983
27:25.61 Alberto Salazar USA 1982
27:26.00 Hansjörg Kunze GDR 1988
27:26.29 Kamiel Maase NED 2002
27:26.95 Alex Hagelsteens BEL 1982

Source: http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_10kok.htm

Note: only one time since 2001...

12:55.76 Craig Mottram AUS 2004
12:58.21 Bob Kennedy USA 1996
13:00.41 David Moorcroft GBR 1982
13:01.72 Dieter Baumann GER 1995
13:02.86 António Pinto POR 1998

13:03.76 Stéphane Franke GER 1995
13:03.93 Mark Carroll IRL 1998
13:04.64 Alberto García ESP 1998
13:04.90 Matt Tegenkamp USA 2006
13:05.59 Salvatore Antibo ITA 1990

13:06.39 Marius Bakken NOR 2004
13:06.76 Francesco Panetta ITA 1993
13:07.10 Alistair Cragg IRL 2007
13:07.34 Enrique Molina ESP 1997
13:07.54 Markus Ryffel SUI 1984

13:07.59 José Rios ESP 2000
13:07.70 António Leitão POR 1982
13:07.79 Arturo Barrios MEX 1989
13:08.30 Anacleto Jiménez ESP 1997
13:08.44 Manuel Pancorbo ESP 1998

Note: only 4 times since 2001...

There isn't enormous crossover between the two lists, so perhaps Rupp could run a very fast 10000 without getting sub 13.10... but I would think that's what you'd be looking for first.

[Half Miler]

Considering that no Caucasian runner has come close to breaking 27 for 10,000 meters (even with the availability of epogen) and that Rupp has run under 13:30 for 5000 once, I do not see him doing it.

Good grief, I hadn't looked at the all-time 10k list in a while.

OUCH!!!

First non-african is Barrios' 27:08.23 from '89, currently in 108th place.

So, perhaps wishful thinking on my part. :?
Based, at least partially, on the fact that US distance runners generally peak in their late twenties - mid thirties, and Rupp seems to have the mid-range speed necessary (I'd give him 3:36 or so for the 1500).