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  • Wariner vs. Merritt, 2009 - and the X-Man

    I think JW needs to develop his power/acceleration game. He's capable of going sub-20 in the 200m, maybe sub 19.90. he's talented enough for this, but needs the right mix of power, max-speed work and more aggressive acceleration phase.

    the more important point is that, IMO, it's essential that JW break the 20.00 barrier this year. this will bring him much close to breaking the WR in the 400 than anything else. JW needs a slightly better speed-reserve going through the 200 mark of the 400. a better speed-reserve leaves him more in the tank at the end, then he hits his sub 43.30, then maybe MJ's record.

    otherwise, Merritt is looking more and more like the man. Merritt looks great so far this year; hopefully not getting too sharp too early (i.e. sacrificing base work for early season speed).

    seems to me that JW should really taper down his training load for the USA Nationals, focus on getting very speed-sharp for the 200, and blast out some quality 200's in Eugene. If he runs up to potential he makes the final and mixes it up with the 200 guys (i.e. he's in the mix, say top 4-6).

    from what I know and what I've seen with JW's (Hart's) training style, it's all paced sprinting. it's all speed endurance and pace training, which is most important for the 400, but the power and max speed elements need to be developed as well in order to achieve greater comfort and relaxation "at pace" (i.e. better speed-reserve).

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  • #2
    the X Man needs a lot of technical work - and greater flexibility.

    with more efficient sprint mechanics and greater relaxation, this guy goes 19.60's again and sub-44.00 in the 400.

    his speed base in the 100 is plenty good enough.

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    • #3
      This thread title should be changed.

      X is not in the league of Merritt or Wariner in 2009.

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      • #4
        ha ha. you're right, Texas Speed. It's true, X-man is not in the same league with Merritt and Wariner.

        X-man seems to have the potential, but it's not clear he's got the right mentality, ability to execute technically and with race strategies - and/or whether he's in the right kind of coaching/training situation.

        who is his coach, anyway?

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        • #5
          I voted LM just because he looks the better man right now and JW's progression seems off to me - but I hope I am wrong and he does beter than a 43.8 this season because that is what he is going to have to do with LM in the game.

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          • #6
            Re: Wariner vs. Merritt, 2009 - and the X-Man

            Originally posted by 110hedgeNYC
            He's capable of going sub-20 in the 200m, maybe sub 19.90...people agree/not agree?
            One thing I don't agree with anymore is the common assertion that Wariner has some magic reserve of speed that just hasn't been tapped. Raw speed is essentially innate. It's possible that Wariner has simply reached his limit.

            3 years ago JW was running 20.19 and many of us (myself included) thought he could go significantly faster. But he was actually training more for the 200 that year than he has since.

            Speed endurance is another thing entirely, of course. I see no reason why that can't continue to improve.

            But I do agree that, for now, LM appears to be the man.

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            • #7
              Half Miler -

              perhaps you're right. though, based on my experience, there is a trade off with only doing speed pace and speed endurance based training. it is my understanding that that is THE system used by Hart for JW.

              my point is that speed is not only an innate ability: it can be trained. power, also, can be trained. the acceleration phase of a 200, or 100, is also a trainable technique. you'd be surprised how many so-called sprint coaches out there don't truly know how to get this component right, mechanically speaking, nor do a lot of them know what type of specific training is involved in developing this kind of capacity.

              my guess is that even back a couple years ago when JW ran 20.19, and they were making the 200 more of a priority, JW/Hart used a kind of "top down" speed endurance approach.

              the problem with this approach is that long sprinters get stuck in a particular gear. when I watch JW I often think he's stuck in 3rd gear, when he needs to be able to hit 4th in order to be more comfortable, conserve energy, executing his 400 race plan in a more efficient 3rd gear.

              there is not one road to speed endurance. speed reserve, or having a kind speed slack, equates to what people sometimes call "effective speed endurance".

              I maintain that, let's say a John Smith power/technique approach to sprinting versus a strictly speed endurance/pacing approach, would get JW under 20.00 and under 43.30.

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              • #8
                If we (for the sake of argument, for those who are skeptical), assume that
                whites have a disadvantage in the sprints: 20.19 is a bloody good time
                for a white non-specialist. Discounting KK and altitude races, 20 flat
                is the historical approximate limit of white 200m times. With improvements in
                tracks, training methods, whatnot, it is possible that they could run faster
                today, but for a 400m specialist to do so? Possibly, if he drops the 400, but
                why should he?

                As a comparison: Wissman has a 200m PB of 20.30, despite for a time being
                Europe's best white 200m runner (and he is set on the 400m for the future...)

                (I admit, however, that it would be interesting to see what 400m times a sub-20
                200m, 1.40 800m runner could achieve )

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 110hedgeNYC
                  though, based on my experience, there is a trade off with only doing speed pace and speed endurance based training. it is my understanding that that is THE system used by Hart for JW.
                  Their training system (and percentage of use for each training session) as of now should consist of:

                  Speed endurance (100%)
                  Tempo endurance (100%)
                  Strength endurance (80%)
                  Endurance running (10%)
                  Power speed (70%)
                  Event running (100%)
                  Speed (70%)
                  Strength (100%)

                  (Source: Clyde Hart USATF handout)

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                  • #10
                    LM is the man in this event now.
                    It would be fantastic though, if JW could regain his 2007 form, and then have them go head to head all summer. In that case, I would go with JW.
                    But based on what I've seen thus far this season, LM should be able to take JW this year

                    p.s. X-man is over-rated. Let's stop talking about his potential, and wait until he actually does something again before mentioning him in these conversations.

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                    • #11
                      Y'all better stop talking about Carter like that or his baby daddy gonna get mad!!! Texas Speed you should know better...LMAO!!! :lol:

                      Carter is going to be fine, and when he's on his game, alot of people can't run with him....I think he's proven it time and time again.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by justblaze1011
                        Carter is going to be fine
                        When? He really hasn't been for some time now.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by justblaze1011
                          Y'all better stop talking about Carter like that or his baby daddy gonna get mad!!! Texas Speed you should know better...LMAO!!! :lol:

                          Carter is going to be fine, and when he's on his game, alot of people can't run with him....I think he's proven it time and time again.
                          Call it how I see it JB.

                          I'm not tryin to get keith goin. I'm sure X will be fine. That being said, he's not beating Merritt or Wariner this year unless they pull up lame.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by justblaze1011
                            Y'all better stop talking about Carter like that or his baby daddy gonna get mad!!! Texas Speed you should know better...LMAO!!! :lol:

                            Carter is going to be fine, and when he's on his game, alot of people can't run with him....I think he's proven it time and time again.
                            I agree, but he should have raced more. He should have run 400 at Dakar instead of 200 in U.S. the week before PennR.

                            He should have run Kingston 400 & one of the 400s the next week before 400 at Adidas--not 200. 200 at Belem next week prior to 400/300/400/400 would have been three races at 200/300 and 12 races at 400--15 races before USAT&F.

                            I hope that he is ready by June 27!
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gleason
                              Originally posted by justblaze1011
                              Y'all better stop talking about Carter like that or his baby daddy gonna get mad!!! Texas Speed you should know better...LMAO!!! :lol:

                              Carter is going to be fine, and when he's on his game, alot of people can't run with him....I think he's proven it time and time again.
                              I agree, but he should have raced more. He should have run 400 at Dakar instead of 200 in U.S. the week before PennR.

                              He should have run Kingston 400 & one of the 400s the next week before 400 at Adidas--not 200. 200 at Belem next week prior to 400/300/400/400 would have been three races at 200/300 and 12 races at 400--15 races before USAT&F.

                              I hope that he is ready by June 27!
                              He should done this, he should of done that....blah blah blah!!! He's gonna be fine, he doesn't need to run all them races.

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