Wariner vs. Merritt, 2009 - and the X-Man

[marknhj]

Gleason you should start an elite track club! Or at the very least write schedules for athletes.............

Why stop there? I think Gleason is the man to re-design the schedule for every major International and Collegiate meet for the next decade or two...

[Gleason]

Gleason you should start an elite track club! Or at the very least write schedules for athletes.............

I disagree.

Attendance at the first day of USAT&F on June 25, 2009 would incerease if these entrants were added:

Men's 400
Tyson Gay
Kerron Clement
Xavier Carter

Women's 400
Allyson Felix

Men's 800
Bernard Lagat

He ran 2:16.81 to defeat Nick Willis (2:16.93), Nick Symmonds (2:17.10) and Christian Smith (2:18.87) in the Gateshead 1000 on August 31, 2008. He should be able to make the final if not to win it because the schedule calls for three 800s in four days.

[Gleason]

I ignore those statements. Their agents tell them what to say. Where did Felix produce her three gold medal prediction before Osaka?

I would entertain that if his agent were an American. Caroline Feith, of Pro Sports International - who manages Clement (among 28 others), is Dutch. I doubt a European is putting words into Clement's mouth.

Felix saved her predictions for Beijing - an event much greater than Osaka.

Exact quote and citation of Felix's predictions please?

I recall that she only said that she would run 100 & 200 in OT. When she failed to make 100 team, she said nothing.

[knite]

Gleason you should start an elite track club! Or at the very least write schedules for athletes.............

LOL

[EPelle]

I ignore those statements. Their agents tell them what to say. Where did Felix produce her three gold medal prediction before Osaka?

I would entertain that if his agent were an American. Caroline Feith, of Pro Sports International - who manages Clement (among 28 others), is Dutch. I doubt a European is putting words into Clement's mouth.

Felix saved her predictions for Beijing - an event much greater than Osaka.

[guruof track]

Gleason you should start an elite track club! Or at the very least write schedules for athletes.............

[Gleason]

IF he runs the 400 at USATF and makes the team, more power to him. If he runs the 400 in Berlin and fails to earn a medal, he will not hit pay dirt like he would have in the 400mh, where he is the defending champion.

Which one is worth more in value to Clement? A(nother) medal in a different event, or a legacy at 400m hurdles?

Ask Clement.

"I want to be remembered as Kerron Clement, the great 400m hurdler. I just want to make a name for myself and don't want to be like anyone else."

http://www.suavvmagazine.com/Sports1-2_issue1_vol3.html

In the long and short of it, it makes no difference what we will for the lad, he's got his own set of goals, aspirations and racing schedule (some of which will consist of those 400m races you're longing for, but not at USATF).

I ignore those statements. Their agents tell them what to say. Where did Felix produce her three gold medal prediction before Osaka?

[EPelle]

IF he runs the 400 at USATF and makes the team, more power to him. If he runs the 400 in Berlin and fails to earn a medal, he will not hit pay dirt like he would have in the 400mh, where he is the defending champion.

Which one is worth more in value to Clement? A(nother) medal in a different event, or a legacy at 400m hurdles?

Ask Clement.

"I want to be remembered as Kerron Clement, the great 400m hurdler. I just want to make a name for myself and don't want to be like anyone else."

http://www.suavvmagazine.com/Sports1-2_issue1_vol3.html

In the long and short of it, it makes no difference what we will for the lad, he's got his own set of goals, aspirations and racing schedule (some of which will consist of those 400m races you're longing for, but not at USATF).

[Gleason]

Gleason, you are missing a very key point here: It HAD been tried with a trainer not named Bobby Kersee up until 2008. Clement decided in 2007 that he needed a change, found Kersee and moved to Los Angeles-area (where he lived two months with friends). He's never worked as hard in his life as he has under Kersee. A one-off year with a new trainer doesn't usually fly; it hasn't worked with Carter, or with Wariner - two other folks about whom this thread is also concerned.

He may run 43,x -- certainly. It still doesn't help his technique in a 400m hurdles race, rather makes him the fastest flat runner the final 35m. If his technique has not been corrected with the addition of new found speed, the speed can become a moot point if he's consumed too much energy by using the energy deficiently over the course of a hurdle race.

Why the concern about "safest bet?" He is 23 years old!

IF he runs the 400 at USAT&F, makes the team, runs the 400 at WCh then fails to earn a medal we will know that I'm wrong. Until then try it--you'll like it!

[Dave]

Did anyone notice that Wariner didn't even make the T&FN formchart in the 400?

Surely that was an oversight that will have GH and team somewhat embarrassed. I was also surprised to see Tommy Skipper not make the list in the PV, but that may be based on last years' abominable outdoor season.

He is running 200 as in 2006 & 2007.

got it. since he is defending WC, he doesn't need to run the 400 at Nationals.

[Gleason]

Did anyone notice that Wariner didn't even make the T&FN formchart in the 400?

Surely that was an oversight that will have GH and team somewhat embarrassed. I was also surprised to see Tommy Skipper not make the list in the PV, but that may be based on last years' abominable outdoor season.

He is running 200 as in 2006 & 2007.

[Dave]

Did anyone notice that Wariner didn't even make the T&FN formchart in the 400?

Surely that was an oversight that will have GH and team somewhat embarrassed. I was also surprised to see Tommy Skipper not make the list in the PV, but that may be based on last years' abominable outdoor season.

[EPelle]

Gleason, you are missing a very key point here: It HAD been tried with a trainer not named Bobby Kersee up until 2008. Clement decided in 2007 that he needed a change, found Kersee and moved to Los Angeles-area (where he lived two months with friends). He's never worked as hard in his life as he has under Kersee. A one-off year with a new trainer doesn't usually fly; it hasn't worked with Carter, or with Wariner - two other folks about whom this thread is also concerned.

He may run 43,x -- certainly. It still doesn't help his technique in a 400m hurdles race, rather makes him the fastest flat runner the final 35m. If his technique has not been corrected with the addition of new found speed, the speed can become a moot point if he's consumed too much energy by using the energy deficiently over the course of a hurdle race.

[Gleason]

Gleason, if Clement improves from 44,4 to 43,8 this season without also improving his hurdling technique, his flat foot speed will be negated the final 35m of the 400m hurdles, because bad technique throughout any part of the race will have caused him to lose any differential gained by that speed. If he can't negotiate the technical part of the race, he will be less energy efficient and tire down the straight.

His safest bet to attempt to win the world championships is to participate in the event at USATF (which should emulate the Berlin meet in terms of top talent) and see where he's at with respect to his speed, stamina, endurance, and, most importantly, his technical hurdling aptitude.

The problem with this theory is that it has been tried for six years and worked once at the 2005 USAT&F. The worst that can happen with running 400 at USAT&F is a 4th at WCh as he did in 2005. He may run 43.3 with 400 concentration. He did set the indoor WR in 2005.

[EPelle]

Gleason, if Clement improves from 44,4 to 43,8 this season without also improving his hurdling technique, his flat foot speed will be negated the final 35m of the 400m hurdles, because bad technique throughout any part of the race will have caused him to lose any differential gained by that speed. If he can't negotiate the technical part of the race, he will be less energy efficient and tire down the straight.

His safest bet to attempt to win the world championships is to participate in the event at USATF (which should emulate the Berlin meet in terms of top talent) and see where he's at with respect to his speed, stamina, endurance, and, most importantly, his technical hurdling aptitude.