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    According to IAAF site both Rabat (Morrocco) and Belem (Brazil) had attendance in the 30-35,000 range. We all know that attendance at big meets in Europe is always hitting 15 - 60,000, depending on stadium size.

    Carson's crowd numbers were embarrassing.

    NYC's Reebok Grand Prix sold out last year at about 7,000 and is likely to sellout again this year at roughly around 8-9,000 (increased seating capacity on back stretch). that's encouraging, but New York is a region of about 20 million people that regularly pulls large numbers for all kinds of sporting events. btw, the atmosphere at Reebok is good. it's a small, but quality stadium and it gets loud.

    Pre in Eugene will likely pull a solid 15-20,000 as it usually does. but, that's Prefontaine and it's Eugene, which is an anomoly in the U.S.

    Bottom line: what gives? why do early season meets in Morrocco and Brazil pull 30,000 and New York will be deemed successful if it sells out at about 8,000?

    old topic. but please people, how about some intelligent debate on the what's going on here?

    here's one argument: stadium design matters. most U.S. track meets are held in lifeless sports facilities that have zero atmosphere. as a former track athlete that competed all over the U.S. and Europe, I know that athletes and fans are influenced by stadium atmosphere. it's not just numbers; it's also aesthetics.

  • #2
    Let's not forget the Penn Relays.

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    • #3
      penn relays...

      thurday for all girls over 25k...

      distance races ree at night...

      friday.. i thought it was 37k...

      saturday, 47k...

      PA state meet at shippensburg was sold out too at 18k...

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      • #4
        I have stated this before and it really applies here as well, the powers to be for the U.S. are not going to rock the boat, shake the apple cart (status quo).


        Because there is a pro circuit available for athletes to make a living and they are, there isn't this pressing need to address issues such as the one mentioned in this thread. Again track & field has an existence on the youth, high school, college and pro levels here in the U.S.

        Now when those areas are impacted in such a way to warrant attention, you'll see that attention
        on the road

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        • #5
          Here's a culturally un-PC thing to say: Are non-USAians more used to going to stadia (think football (soccer)) to see sports than us coach potatoes. Unless it's NFL, MLB, or NBA (or NASCAR), which draw primarily in urban centers anyway, aren't we staying home in droves to watch stuff on our out-sized HD TVs? (not that there's that much live T&F on the tube!).

          . . . just spitballing here . . .

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Marlow
            Here's a culturally un-PC thing to say: Are non-USAians more used to going to stadia (think football (soccer)) to see sports than us coach potatoes. Unless it's NFL, MLB, or NBA (or NASCAR), which draw primarily in urban centers anyway, aren't we staying home in droves to watch stuff on our out-sized HD TVs? (not that there's that much live T&F on the tube!).

            . . . just spitballing here . . .
            Huh? I'd guess that Americans have more options to watch top flight live sports than most other countries. You've listed them above. And, believe it or not, other countries also have TVs and even out-sized HD ones...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Marlow
              Here's a culturally un-PC thing to say: Are non-USAians more used to going to stadia (think football (soccer)) to see sports than us coach potatoes. Unless it's NFL, MLB, or NBA (or NASCAR), which draw primarily in urban centers anyway, aren't we staying home in droves . . .
              NCAA football and basketball games draw large crowds in college towns that are not urban centers.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by marknhj
                Originally posted by Marlow
                Here's a culturally un-PC thing to say:
                . . . just spitballing here . . .
                Huh? . . . believe it or not, other countries also have TVs and even out-sized HD ones...
                Way to fearlessly wade into that one! 8-)

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                • #9
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_league_attendances

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                  • #10
                    1950 world cup final between uruguay and brasil saw 250,000 attend that match...

                    brasil lost sending the entire country into mourning..

                    maracana is the stadium..

                    imaginre a double decker rose bowl and you get the idea of maracana..

                    it serves as a main train station and that's how they get the people in

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                    • #11
                      Well...even with the popularity of MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, the powers to be weren't so closed minded as to think that adding music, half time entertainment, big screen replays, and even interactive options aren't necessary.

                      They all think outside of the box and thats what helps to make them so successful.

                      Marketing and entertainment even beyond their sport.

                      But just look for the music at track meets thread in this forum and you can how closed minded and redundant not only track officials can be, but track fans.

                      We are what we are...

                      People who believe a 10 second sprint or a 3000 meter run can sustain a casual fan :roll: .

                      People go to sporting events for the TOTAL EXPERIENCE.
                      Usain Bolt's street race is that kind of peripheral thinking that has the potential to mainstream the sport. But at this rate none of us will live to see it.

                      I mentioned doing it in Time Square and the Bolt street race thread took off. Some people want it, but the purist and the traditionalist...

                      "Only want to watch the meet. If they wanted music they'd go to a concert."

                      :roll:

                      If a track meet was more of an event, then families would come and bring the children. If the athletes were promoted to be bigger than life then the stands would be full.

                      But then it would be more than a track meet and we wouldnt want to do that :? .
                      The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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                      • #12
                        I don't think you can quote Penn, Texas, etc., Relays attendance. Those crowds are mostly there to see high schoolers. if they were college/pro only, it'd be a couple hundred attendees.

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                        • #13
                          [quote="Cooter Brown"]I don't think you can quote Penn, Texas, etc., Relays attendance. Those crowds are mostly there to see high schoolers. if they were college/pro only, it'd be a couple hundred attendees.[/quote]

                          :shock: :shock: LOL
                          on the road

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cooter Brown
                            I don't think you can quote Penn, Texas, etc., Relays attendance. Those crowds are mostly there to see high schoolers. if they were college/pro only, it'd be a couple hundred attendees.
                            Of course, if the Jamaicans don't attend any meets, they aren't a resounding success.... :lol:

                            At least some would say that.... :lol: :wink:

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TrackDaddy
                              But then it would be more than a track meet and we wouldnt want to do that :? .
                              Yeah, it would be a T&F meet with the same exact people showing up who always do, only they'd be irritated with the music (unless I get to pick the music, in which case one customer will be happy), with no newbies in sight . . .

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