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Originally posted by MarlowOriginally posted by skibooNow you're just being silly
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Originally posted by skibooI also don't know much about the US college system, I just don't think it should dictate what events are run by elites, at the end of the day.
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Originally posted by guruof trackRunning 36 inches makes sense, but the distance between the hurdles is playing with fire.
cheers
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Originally posted by skibooOriginally posted by guruof trackRunning 36 inches makes sense, but the distance between the hurdles is playing with fire.
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[quote=guruof track]Originally posted by skibooOriginally posted by "guruof track":3q1ylt7dRunning 36 inches makes sense, but the distance between the hurdles is playing with fire.
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Yes, there are actually some women who can't run with a full stride length in the 100H. Probably at least .01% of all the women hurdlers!
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In the state where I live/coach (sometimes) at least 90% of WHS hurdlers are 4 or 5 steppers. Changing either height or spacing would produce hurdle fields of even more 4 or 5 steppers and/or 2 or 3 athletes at a meet. There are also VERY few JV or sophmore meets offered during the season, and most HSAD's, who have complete control or competition schedules, don't even know how to spell "hurdles".
Is that better? - I don't think so. It would certainly drastically limit the prospects of current hurdlers for college opportuniities/scholarship aid not to mention what it would do to multi's prospects, even at the college level.
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I looked up the local college, UNF, and got the results to their big invitational this spring. This is not a cherry-picked result - I could find MUCH worse.
Event 19 Women 100 Meter Hurdles
Preliminaries
1 1150 Louissaint, Lauren SR Florida Int'l 14.49q 0.2 2
2 1160 Yisrael, Naim SR Florida Int'l 14.51q 1.4 3
3 1138 Boston, Brittney SR Florida Int'l 14.55q 2.7 1
4 1498 Seigworth, Amanda SO Slippery Rock 15.12q 2.7 1
5 1636 Holmes, Rebecca JR Winthrop 15.21q 1.4 3
6 1110 Wright, Latoya SO Florida A&M 15.26q -0.6 4
7 1098 Holiday, Kierra JR Florida A&M 15.35q -0.6 4
8 1330 Perrill, Kaitie FR Lake Erie 15.36q -0.6 4
9 1294 Stinson, LaKeshia JR Kennesaw State 15.38q 2.7 1
10 1500 Smith, Allison SO Slippery Rock 15.45 -0.6 4
11 1635 Grayson, LeShon FR Winthrop 15.65 -0.6 4
12 1058 Harrell, Antoinett SO Edward Waters 15.67 0.2 2
13 1472 Stanley, Rachel FR North Florida 15.68 2.7 1
14 1456 Bridges, Andrea FR North Florida 15.89 2.7 1
14 1531 Thiel-Granzow, Lyn Unattached 15.89 0.2 2
16 1002 Brown, Tanekka FR Claflin 15.90 1.4 3
17 1298 Wilcox, Jessica FR Kennesaw State 15.95 1.4 3
18 1574 Bennett, Morganne FR West Virginia We 16.24 1.4 3
19 1140 Camacho, Elma SR Florida Int'l 16.58 0.2 2
20 1103 Oknokwo, Oluchukwu FR Florida A&M 16.82 -0.6 4
21 1034 Sarra, Nicole FR Edinboro 17.07 1.4 3
22 1383 Dieringer, Emily FR Milwaukee Sch. o 17.43 0.2 2
23 1004 Milton, Latycia FR Claflin 17.82 1.4 3
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Originally posted by MarlowYes, there are actually some women who can't run with a full stride length in the 100H. Probably at least .01% of all the women hurdlers!
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Originally posted by MarlowI looked up the local college, UNF, and got the results to their big invitational this spring. This is not a cherry-picked result - I could find MUCH worse.
Event 19 Women 100 Meter Hurdles
Preliminaries
1 1150 Louissaint, Lauren SR Florida Int'l 14.49q 0.2 2
2 1160 Yisrael, Naim SR Florida Int'l 14.51q 1.4 3
3 1138 Boston, Brittney SR Florida Int'l 14.55q 2.7 1
4 1498 Seigworth, Amanda SO Slippery Rock 15.12q 2.7 1
5 1636 Holmes, Rebecca JR Winthrop 15.21q 1.4 3
6 1110 Wright, Latoya SO Florida A&M 15.26q -0.6 4
7 1098 Holiday, Kierra JR Florida A&M 15.35q -0.6 4
8 1330 Perrill, Kaitie FR Lake Erie 15.36q -0.6 4
9 1294 Stinson, LaKeshia JR Kennesaw State 15.38q 2.7 1
10 1500 Smith, Allison SO Slippery Rock 15.45 -0.6 4
11 1635 Grayson, LeShon FR Winthrop 15.65 -0.6 4
12 1058 Harrell, Antoinett SO Edward Waters 15.67 0.2 2
13 1472 Stanley, Rachel FR North Florida 15.68 2.7 1
14 1456 Bridges, Andrea FR North Florida 15.89 2.7 1
14 1531 Thiel-Granzow, Lyn Unattached 15.89 0.2 2
16 1002 Brown, Tanekka FR Claflin 15.90 1.4 3
17 1298 Wilcox, Jessica FR Kennesaw State 15.95 1.4 3
18 1574 Bennett, Morganne FR West Virginia We 16.24 1.4 3
19 1140 Camacho, Elma SR Florida Int'l 16.58 0.2 2
20 1103 Oknokwo, Oluchukwu FR Florida A&M 16.82 -0.6 4
21 1034 Sarra, Nicole FR Edinboro 17.07 1.4 3
22 1383 Dieringer, Emily FR Milwaukee Sch. o 17.43 0.2 2
23 1004 Milton, Latycia FR Claflin 17.82 1.4 3
YOu mind explaining again why the IAAF, if it were considering a 110 race, would consider the stats you've put up? Would they argue it was harmful at the grassroots level? Or more?
thanks
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Originally posted by skibooOriginally posted by guruof trackI'm not an expert either, but changing the actually LENTGH of the race would give me pause. The distance between mens hurdles and womens hurdle is significant enought to make a difference, considering that males stride patterns are longer, stride frequency is faster, and so forth..........that would be asking a bit much whn coupled with RAISING the hurdle.
Men's hurdles : 9.14 meter spacing
http://www.iaaf.org/community/athletics ... =9428.html
Women's hurdles: 8.5 meter spacing.
Haven't we seen a fair number of women hurdlers chopping their stride to successfully navigate barriers? Gail Devers '92 comes to mind. So the extra 2 feet (9.14 meters - 8.5 meters and approximating) to run between barriers could be a good thing? Thoughts?
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The current distance between the women's hurdles may be too short for the faster/taller hurdlers, especially if the hurdle height is increased, but that doesn't mean extending it all the way to equal the men's distance makes sense. For the 100h/110h there isn't going to be a spacing that works well for both men and women.
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Former international 110 hurdler and former coach for both boys and girls HS hurdles.
Responses:
- keep High School the same on sprint hurdles; no changes needed
- decent argument for changing to the 400 meter distance for HS, but see no harm in staying with 300 distance for HS.
- women's college and international: yes, raise women's 100 hurdles to 36. I do not believe this would require changing the total distance or distance between; it would just require better hurdling technique and make the women's race more like the men's, where it's about hurdling first, and sprinting second. currently, the 33" level does not test the technical abilities of women's hurdlers sufficiently.
- If you look at most world class women's 100 meter hurdlers, such as Jones, Kallur, Felicien, D. Harper, etc., they all seem capable of adjusting to 36". Jones would have the most difficult transition initially, as she does not lean or stay forward enough even for the 33" barriers.
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