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are you people insane??? I WANT TO LOWER THE MEN"S HURDLES. as it is, the event is for freaks only right now. i'd like to see some more average folks in it.
but yeah, raise both the women's 100 and 400 hurdles.
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Haven't you guys watched Stefan Holm on Youtube? I reckon they should raise the men's hurdles to 72".
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Nettey's time was over the 30" hurdles not the 33".
I only got to do 30" 100mH once at a meet in Salem Oregon-what a blast that was! I ran 13.6 (it was a crumbling cinder track but then many of the tracks we ran on back then were! :lol: )
As a 100mH hurdler in HS (14.3) I feel that the hurdles should definitely stay at 33"for Junior age athletes and the spacing should not change either. I would have no objection to high school meets running the hurdles at 30" (although for regular meets I would do 33").
I feel the high school program should be geared to athletes who are not in clubs or training year round.
I would change the 400mH to 300mH for high school meets as well. In club meets I would do regulation heights and distances.
I agree with 110 hedge.
Off topic but Nettey long jumped 6.09 last night.
I coach a girl who is not too far behind her now with a PB of 5.95 (same age). 8-) 8-)
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Originally posted by skibooOriginally posted by MarlowThe average college - all colleges, all hurdlers - 100Her is in the 15-16 seconds range -.
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nah, raise them to 45 for the men but keep the women's the same.
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Originally posted by GeorgiaFan1Note that at the usatf they are running the junior women at 33"
Women's 400m Hurdles (33 in.)
http://www.usatf.org/events/2009/USAJun ... status.asp
If this is not an error, there will be some surprised young women. The men are still running 36" so it isn't an equality thing.
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Re: Raising the Hurdles
Originally posted by MarlowOriginally posted by guruof trackI have always thought they should raise boys HS hurdles to the 42' standard and raise womens hurdles to 36' inches? Thoughts
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Note that at the usatf they are running the junior women at 33"
Women's 400m Hurdles (33 in.)
http://www.usatf.org/events/2009/USAJun ... status.asp
If this is not an error, there will be some surprised young women. The men are still running 36" so it isn't an equality thing.
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The women's hurdle is just too low to hit. The only reason most women fall is because their stride is off, not because they aren't high enough. Men try to stay lower over the hurdle precisely because it is higher (relative to their CoG), so they do tend to scrape it more - Kingdom being the prime example of that.
The '8th hurdle' comment is about how high some women get over the hurdles, especially at the end of the 400H, when they're tired and more afraid of hitting a hurdle. When I ran the 440H, I do believe I would have cleared 48" hurdles at the 9th and 10th, because they sure seemed that high.
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Originally posted by skibooAgain, is 2 feet really that much? I don't think it is, others disagree.
Why would you think that both men and women can effectively 3-step with the same distance between hurdles?
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I am a bit out of my depth compared to most of the posters here but I have an observation and a guess at the interpretation.
The men hit the hurdles much more often then the women hurdlers do (I am seeing high-level competition primarily). Is this because the cost of hitting the hurdle are greater for women than for men? Does this, in part, come from the women's hurdles often being set at too high a tipping force and hence does not allow them to push through the hurdle and hence they learn to clear the hurdle by more? Is the women's hurdle height effectively 'higher' as a result (and is this related to the comment about the 8th hurdle in the w400m)?
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folks, sorry but I think your discussion on the current high school standards and hurdle heights is pointless and beside the issue.
I say, keep the high school setting as they are. these are fine, for high school.
the transition should occur at the college and international level.
and, I do think it makes sense to raise the women's 100 hurdles to 36". the women's 400 hurdles could also go from 30 to 33".
regards distance between: remember, the distance for the 110 hurdles does NOT CHANGE between high school 39" and college/international 42".
An this basis, I do not see the need for change the distances of the women's 100 hurdles.
look at Jackie Joyner, or say, Karoline Kluft, both are extremely tall, incredible powerful, all around athletes that have efficiently adjusted to the constraints of hurdling. both could have essentially run the same race over 36" barriers.
part of the art of high hurdling is the stride pattern. look at the variance in heights for men's world class hurdlers: F. Swartoff of Germany was 6'7" and he ran 13.06; Mark McKoy, Colin Jackson, Terrence Trammell and Allen Johnson are much shorter - and they are clearly among the best in history in the event. this is part of the beauty of the 110 hurdles race.
for women, however, pure sprint speed is a much greater predictor of success than it is for men's high hurdles. technique and leaping ability, also ability to efficiently negotiate and constrainted stride pattern, are less influencial factors in the women's 100 hurdles.
i think that raising the women's 100 hurdles to 36", and keeping everything else the same would make the women's race more interesting, and give it greater separation from the flat sprint discipline.
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Originally posted by MarlowOriginally posted by SpeedfirstOriginally posted by GrasshopperOriginally posted by SpeedfirstYeah most of the HS girls are 3 stepping, especially the top level ones.
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Originally posted by SpeedfirstOriginally posted by GrasshopperOriginally posted by SpeedfirstYeah most of the HS girls are 3 stepping, especially the top level ones.
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