Can Dobrynska break Kluft's European Record?

[3a]

I was sort of expecting Dobrynska's Olympic performance to remain a fluke, but with her additional PB's in Gotzis, on the contrary, I think she has a real shot at Kluft's record. :shock: If you add all of her Personal best scores including her windy long jump from Gotzis you get a 6920

I just did the math and performances of :

100h 13.40 - 1065
HJ 1.88 - 1080
SP 17.30 - 1016
200m 24.00 981
LJ 6.80 - 1105
JT 50.00 - 860
800m 2.11 - 950 =

7057

All marks are close to her pb's, So basicaly, favourable winds, dream competition and she could eclipse Kluft. I find her improvement staggering. Particularly in LJ and the speed events. I found it frustrating that she was barely referenced in the Gotzis thread whilst there were two dozen posts for the young American guy. It will be interesting to trace her performances throughout the season.

[EPelle]

I'd like to know what Dobrynska's maximum efforts in individual events could be. She seems to PB in the hep events during major champs, but doesn't necessarily contest the individual hep events separately on their own. Are the marks she is putting up in the hep her ultimate available efforts for those individual events?

[andyjgt]

Her HJ in Beijing was only 1.80 and she only did 1.79 in Gotzis, so I doubt she'll ever do 1.88. I guess she's had to put on some muscle to get her SP over 17 and so she's suffered in the HJ (remember she lost to Sotherton in the Gothenburg SP, where she did her 1.86 HJ PB - and this was no 3rd-attempt safety putt like in Gotzis 2009, Kelly successfully protested the validity of her 3rd attempt, which was 14.72!)

Nor 24 flat for 200 - unless she enlists Blonska's help! I think her 13.44 from Beijing may remain a fluke too, though I don't doubt she could be consistent around 13.6x (but she could maybe do 13.40 with a good wind?) She had a slightly illegal 24.61 from 2006 btw.

She has always had a decent LJ PB, before Beijing it was 6.56 from 2006, but until then she never did a good one in a hep.

[3a]

I'd like to know what Dobrynska's maximum efforts in individual events could be. She seems to PB in the hep events during major champs, but doesn't necessarily contest the individual hep events separately on their own. Are the marks she is putting up in the hep her ultimate available efforts for those individual events?

To take it a step further, what if she was to concentrate solely on SP? or LJ? 18m and 7m?

She's an interesting athlete.

Has anyone ever jumped 6.70 and thrown a SP 17 + before? Neat combination.

[3a]

Her HJ in Beijing was only 1.80 and she only did 1.79 in Gotzis, so I doubt she'll ever do 1.88. I guess she's had to put on some muscle to get her SP over 17 and so she's suffered in the HJ (remember she lost to Sotherton in the Gothenburg SP, where she did her 1.86 HJ PB - and this was no 3rd-attempt safety putt like in Gotzis 2009, Kelly successfully protested the validity of her 3rd attempt, which was 14.72!)

Nor 24 flat for 200 - unless she enlists Blonska's help! I think her 13.44 from Beijing may remain a fluke too, though I don't doubt she could be consistent around 13.6x (but she could maybe do 13.40 with a good wind?) She had a slightly illegal 24.61 from 2006 btw.

She has always had a decent LJ PB, before Beijing it was 6.56 from 2006, but until then she never did a good one in a hep.

With all due respect. I don't agree with any of that analysis.

[andyjgt]

I'd like to know what Dobrynska's maximum efforts in individual events could be. She seems to PB in the hep events during major champs, but doesn't necessarily contest the individual hep events separately on their own. Are the marks she is putting up in the hep her ultimate available efforts for those individual events?

To take it a step further, what if she was to concentrate solely on SP? or LJ? 18m and 7m?

She's an interesting athlete.

Has anyone ever jumped 6.70 and thrown a SP 17 + before? Neat combination.

Not sure she would improve at all if she specialised - Kluft hasn't! And I doubt Ennis would improve her HJ if she specialised in it, or her hurdles or 200 much.

[Marlow]

Re: Can Dobrynska break Kluft's European Record?

best scores including her windy long jump from Gotzis you get a 6920

Simple answer - what do Caro's PRs add up to? That'll tell you how far behind Dob is.

[3a]

I'd like to know what Dobrynska's maximum efforts in individual events could be. She seems to PB in the hep events during major champs, but doesn't necessarily contest the individual hep events separately on their own. Are the marks she is putting up in the hep her ultimate available efforts for those individual events?

To take it a step further, what if she was to concentrate solely on SP? or LJ? 18m and 7m?

She's an interesting athlete.

Has anyone ever jumped 6.70 and thrown a SP 17 + before? Neat combination.

Not sure she would improve at all if she specialised - Kluft hasn't! And I doubt Ennis would improve her HJ if she specialised in it, or her hurdles or 200 much.

The reason I find Dobrynska;s case more interesting is the fact that she would have to alter her body condition for either event. She could add musle for SP and lose some muscle mass for the LJ. I don't think she has the perfect physique for either event right now, but is still producing 6.70 and 17 + hence the curiosity.

Also, Kluft is a bad case point example since she was injured last year (what about Gomes as a case point?6.5x gal to 7.10 gal in a few years of dedication to one event ) and I doubt Ennis wouldn't be able to break 22.8, 12.8 if she concentrated on sprinting.

[3a]

Re: Can Dobrynska break Kluft's European Record?

best scores including her windy long jump from Gotzis you get a 6920

Simple answer - what do Caro's PRs add up to? That'll tell you how far behind Dob is.

6! of Dobrynska's PB's came in the one competition though, an additional 2 came together in Gotzis all have been in the last year (aside from HJ) ...but, yeah, it's just a question. I feel it's a possibility. By no means a certainty, however.

[Brettboy]

I don't see Dobrynska breaking Kluft's record at all, mainly because of her lack of speed. The 100mh and 200m are two of the events where an athlete can score the highest marks (along the the LJ) Dobrynska has mastered the LJ but not the other two.

Kluft did a 13.15 100mh in her European record and a 23.38 200m. Dobrynska doesn't have the speed to get close to those marks. Kluft also did a 6.85 LJ and 1.95 HJ too!

Even an athlete like Turchinskaya who was a thrower type like Dobrynska did a 23.97 over 200m as well as a 1.89 HJ and 6.73 LJ.....maybe tehse are in Dobrynska's ranges, but Dobrynska also did a JT of 53.94 too :shock:

Sabine Braun, who in no way would you associate with being a speed based athlete, did 13.11 over the hurdles and 23.65 over 200m, with a 1.93 HJ and 6.63 LJ. She also threw the javelin over 51m too! (51.62)

To get to the big scores in the heptathlon you do not need a 16 or 17m SP, but you do need a fast 100mh, a sub 24sec 200m and HJ/LJ's of around 1.9 and 6.7.

One last thing. It's about time Dobrynska did well in the LJ. I remember watching her at the Euro's in 06 where she jumped 6.35 yet she was 25cm away from the board! She's definately had the ability to jump far, she just finally seems to have put it together.

[nevetsllim]

On a slightly unrelated topic, is Skujyte solely focusing on the shot put now? She was on the shot put entry list for the European Indoors and she competed in Turin last night in the individual event.

She's been to three Olympic Games now so perhaps she's just winding down her career...

[EPelle]

Unsure if she will compete in London 2012:

Sezonas baigdavosi, ir lengvaatletei nekildavo minčių, kad reikÄ—tų kÄ… nors keisti. O šiemet kilo. „Dar ir dÄ—l to, jog nesu tikra, kad ištraukčiau iki 2012 metų Londono olimpiados, – prisipažino lengvaatletÄ—. – Tad ar verta įtemptai sportuoti tuos ketverius metus?“

She's had a drop in energy, but is trying again to get things back together:

Tačiau atsisveikinti su sportu A.SkujytÄ— dar nepasirengusi. Nors po šio sezono kÅ«nas kurį laikÄ… visiškai nenorÄ—jo treniruotis, dabar lengvaatletÄ— jau po truputį juda. O įpusÄ—jus spaliui turÄ—tų rimtai kibti į darbus. Jau galutinai apsisprendusi, kuriuo keliu eiti.

Doesn't know which event she's ultimately going to do this season:

„Nenoriu per daug optimistiškai nusiteikti ir galvoti, kad, pakeitusi rungtį, įstengsiu pasirengti ateinančiai olimpiadai. Tai nÄ—ra taip paprasta. Galiu bandyti mÄ—tyti diskÄ…, bet ar jis skris?“ – retoriškai klausÄ— lengvaatletÄ—.

[IFK_Vaxjo]

Re: Can Dobrynska break Kluft's European Record?

best scores including her windy long jump from Gotzis you get a 6920

Simple answer - what do Caro's PRs add up to? That'll tell you how far behind Dob is.

Her pb:s add up to 7240 points.
100mh 13,15 (2005)
SP: 15,05 (2006
HJ1,95 (2007)
200m. 22,98 (2003)
LJ:6,97 (2004
JT: 50,96 (2006)
800m 2,08,89 (2005

Interesting to see that there's only one PB from 2007 and her 7031 series....

[EPelle]

IFK, thank you. That's why I think it a bit of daydreaming for anyone to assume that Dobrynska will improve again in each and every event in the same competition.

[Jon]

Re: Can Dobrynska break Kluft's European Record?

best scores including her windy long jump from Gotzis you get a 6920

Simple answer - what do Caro's PRs add up to? That'll tell you how far behind Dob is.

Kluft's PRs add up to 7240, which puts Dobrynska (whose actual total is 6909) around 300 points off the pace. Unsurprisingly, that's roughly the gap between their actual heptathlon PRs too.

As an aside, the overall scores when using PRs of other heptathletes are:
Kluft - 7240
Barber - 7221(!)
Braun - 7124
Lewis - 7005
Chernova - 6981
Fountain - 6945
Dobrynska - 6909
Ennis - 6866
Sotherton - 6844
Bogdanova - 6674
Zelinka - 6638

Dobrynska still has a way to go to approach the levels of Barber, Braun and Lewis, let alone Kluft. Dobrynska doesn't even have the best overall PRs of the current crop of heptathletes. Kluft is still in a different league I'm afraid.