2009 Pre Results: W100m [Jeter 10.85 (+3.2)]

[texas_speed]

Wow

[Gleason]

I assume that "texas_speed" is sincere when he describes changes that he perceives in Jeter's musculature, but lawyers claim that eyewitness testimony is the least reliable type of courtroom evidence. "texas_speed" also mentioned her back. I've seen no such video or photo of her back, so I cannot comment.

I've don't recall ever seeing Jeter in person, but I compare recent videos of her races with T&FN photos. For example, look at the photo of her on page 38 of the January 2008 T&FN. She seems to be very solid in that photo of a race that was run about 22 months ago.

Controversey about Barry Bonds alleged steroid use was common in local newspapers a few years ago, but a series of three photos showed GRADUAL growth. The most noticeable was about 10 years ago when he missed most of a season due to injury. His growth may have been caused by heavy weight lifting in lieu of a normal baseball season.

I'd like to see similar photos in the same pose that are a couple of years apart and show remarkable growth. Until then I say "innocent until proven guilty." The previous photos are dissimilar--proving nothing IMHO.

When Arnold Schwarzenenegger was a bodybuilder his coach said that Arnold "would twist his upper body....This gave him the appearance of having a smaller waist, and it was an important strategy for him in competition." This is why similar photos would be helpful. "Muscle & Fitness," January 2005, page 102.

I'm a serious track & field fan, but I'm also a FORMER serious runner due to doctor's orders. When my rheumatologist told me to lift no more than 50 lbs., I picked up the aforementioned magazine with Arnold on the cover at Safeway to find permitted exercises. I'm not a serious bodybuilder, but the quote is accurate.

[Speedfirst]

Simply playing devil's advocate and trying to see "the dark side of the coin."

Could some of people's issues/skepticism stem from the fact that Jeter will be 30 in November and her body has drastically changed in less than a year? I saw her up close and personal at Tyson in Feb and again in New York at the end of May and those are two completely different people.

Or maybe a better asked question would be is there a precedent for women sprinters to undergo such an overhaul in their body type in the "latter stage" of their career.

I know there have been many women to run extremely fast into their 30s but I guess I'm asking can anyone else think of more examples of someone who went from firm to jacked so quickly?

Let's address the age aspect, when you consider elite female short sprinters and also for that matter the men, as you get older your window for improving your speed decreases. As an elite athlete that window wasn't that big to begin with, so again now add getting older to the equation.

You now as you get older you must redeem the time even more so than in the past. So you are going to undertake the type of regimen that will produce the body types of the likes of a Jeter.

I wouldn't say there is a precedent of sort, but each individual must consider and do what they feel is going help them achieve their desired results.

[texas_speed]

Simply playing devil's advocate and trying to see "the dark side of the coin."

Could some of people's issues/skepticism stem from the fact that Jeter will be 30 in November and her body has drastically changed in less than a year? I saw her up close and personal at Tyson in Feb and again in New York at the end of May and those are two completely different people.

Or maybe a better asked question would be is there a precedent for women sprinters to undergo such an overhaul in their body type in the "latter stage" of their career.

I know there have been many women to run extremely fast into their 30s but I guess I'm asking can anyone else think of more examples of someone who went from firm to jacked so quickly?

[Taliban]

Aleen has been a big girl since who knows when.

Some of ya'll need to ease on on disrespecting Jeter big time!

[Paul Henry]

Note that the first poster to come to the defence of Jeter in the face of questions about her physical condition was a JA poster so be judicious in your type-casting. Please!!

If folks are going to pick on jeter you have to notice Aileen. If one dares I swear!!!!
So please respect the young ladies' drive to train hard and get what is potentially a last chance for silver-ware in their cabinets. LEAVE JETER ALONE.

[Jayboi]

I hope Stewart doesn't follow the same dreaded path as Asafa. "Easing up" when really its "tightening up".

[guruof track]

Must be feeling guilty, as I mentioned no specific poster by name.

[3a]

Hunting for witches continue.

I am certainly not "Hunting" anyone. And there is NO accusation in my post. I paid no attention to this thread at all...and was just simply shocked when watching the race of my own accord. The woman has sculpted her body into piece of art IMO. I can't recall a female sprinter with a more muscular back and shoulders. Her legs are also perfection. Infact, Kerron also has sculpted her body into a piece of art too IMO. The arms and legs are incredible. It seems strength and muscle is in. People are entitled to talk about the changing body shapes of athletes IMO. You disagree?

Jeter appears to have more muscle definition than all the fastest gals ever, Jones, Ottey, Torrence, Arron, Jackson and IMHO Flo Jo. Body shapes v PB times are interesting to note. Stewart isn't far off either.

[usafa]

Is it me, or is a subset of the JAM crowd

Not fair, a subset of one, ok maybe two is not a crowd.
BTW, the Jeter thing is nonsense... why pick out Jeter only - becuase she is winning?

The screaming about the winner belied the bias.


I was not saying it was a crowd of the JA folks only that it was a subset, which (for a proper subset) need only be one or two and the vocal ranting does seem to be coming from a pretty small subset (and I should have used the word 'small' as an additional qualifier, but then I might not have elicited your knowledgeable opinion. :wink: ).[/quote]

Thats why I have so few posts :wink:

[guruof track]

Hunting for witches continue.

[3a]

I don't think the pics of her on this thread show much of anything convincing. However, viewing the video at the link below, she does look quite muscular.

http://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?do ... o_id=13514

Holy SHMOKES> Her body is completely different. I thought she was already muscualr, but :shock: :shock: :shock: Those arms are enormous. :shock:

[Speedfirst]

That's your opinion. The great Donald Quarrie and many Jamaican fans are expecting Jamaica to duplicate or outdo ourselves in Berlin. At this time, I don't see anything from our major competition to let me think otherwise. The W 200m is going to be more closer than last year, but I think Veronica will pull through again. Also, Stewart is no chop liver in the 200m either, I recall Felix had to run her down for the silver in Beijing. Felix know that also, that's why I'm not surprise to hear her put the question about doubling in Berlin to rest.

All due respect, as great as Donald was, that's only his opinion also, not a statement of fact. He can have wishful thinking like the next guy.

[Sportsfanx1]

Well, we do not sit down and wait for four years just because there is not another Olympics until London '08. The OGs are the most important competition -- they are NOT the only competition.

Is it me, or is a subset of the JAM crowd predicating everything on the finish of a couple of races last August and that none of the relatively mediocre results this spring seems to sink in. While Bolt has not lost yet, virtually everyone else has, many multiple times, often to athletes those 'faithful' are sure will not be able to repeat their success come the next championship (and if they do, I suppose that we will be told "well, it is not the OGs, that is what matters").

Not fair, a subset of one, ok maybe two is not a crowd. I think JA winning 2-4 golds (and an assorment of other varieties totalling 8-9) in Berlin/WCH and future Oly will be a major success. I do not expect the same performance as in 08- that's just being overly optimistic. We will threaten in enough races to make the games exciting and surely bring some sort of heartache to either side. Our prospect for the future looks bright - as when/if the younger athletes develop we should maintain our usually tally and ocassionally surpass and even surprise ourselves. Don't let the few who screams the loudest define the rest of us.

BTW, the Jeter thing is nonsense... why pick out Jeter only - becuase she is winning?

That's your opinion. The great Donald Quarrie and many Jamaican fans are expecting Jamaica to duplicate or outdo ourselves in Berlin. At this time, I don't see anything from our major competition to let me think otherwise. The W 200m is going to be more closer than last year, but I think Veronica will pull through again. Also, Stewart is no chop liver in the 200m either, I recall Felix had to run her down for the silver in Beijing. Felix know that also, that's why I'm not surprise to hear her put the question about doubling in Berlin to rest.

As for me, about Jeter...she hasn't done anything to make me think ..she even going to upset the trifecta (Brown, Stewart, Fraser) I have on the books for Berlin, much less her winning the gold.

In NYC Campbell-Brown was racing in her first race and Sunday Fraser was racing for first 100m of the season, after having setback. Stewart, ease up thinking she had it won(my observing). And on top of that her PB is 10.93, so....she is not a concern as far as i'm concern. When she starts running a few (legal) sub10.90 this season, then I'll take a good look, but until then i'm more interesting in seeing Fraser rounding back into shape, leading up to Berlin.

[gh]

If you guys wanna have pissing matches, please take it off-line.