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  • lonewolf
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    I don't know what percentage of spectators are there for what reason but it is a big HS meet scattered thru four days and I suspect a big percentage of attendance is family, friends and HS who have to spend a lot of time there to catch the event they are primarily interested in.
    Somewhat true for collegiate. Purely unaffiliated fans, I dunno..

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  • Speedfirst
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    Originally posted by Cooter Brown
    The preconceived idea that meets are all day affairs is because of the average joe's introduction to track in high school.

    I wonder if the majority of high school meets were duals & tri's and limited to 3-hours if this would help the pro sport in the long term? Potential fans, introduced to the sport in high school, would have the first hand experience that a track meet is a fast moving, exciting 3-hour affair and not an endurance event of watching the grass grow. Would this change help grow the fan base in the long run?
    Problem is you get a mixed bag with respect to meets, duals, tri's, quads, etc. and of course larger invites. Unless there is overtime, extra innings, in some of the other core sports, you know what to expect time wise and can plan accordingly.

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  • Cooter Brown
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    The preconceived idea that meets are all day affairs is because of the average joe's introduction to track in high school.

    I wonder if the majority of high school meets were duals & tri's and limited to 3-hours if this would help the pro sport in the long term? Potential fans, introduced to the sport in high school, would have the first hand experience that a track meet is a fast moving, exciting 3-hour affair and not an endurance event of watching the grass grow. Would this change help grow the fan base in the long run?

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  • bruce3404
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    Re: LA Times Weighs in on the Pre

    [quote=El Toro]
    Originally posted by "idiot journalist":3oy9y0ul
    Unlike most track meets, some of which slog on from dusk to dawn and even extend for half a week, there weren't any preliminary heats or frivolous competition. Everything counted.
    Well, based on that logic, when has he ever berated the NFL for wasting 17 weeks on the regular season when all you really need is 32>16>8>4>2=5 weeks to get to where "everything counted."

    Why praise just another fucking ignorant patronising writer without any real semblance of understanding?[/quote:3oy9y0ul]

    Well, for one, this sort of article is GOOD for US T&F. Not sure why you bring the NFL into this; the guy was just trying to say that he enjoyed a compact, well run meet where every race is a final. So do I and, I believe, so do most of the folks who pack Hayward every year for this meet, many of whom are casual fans. The hottest individual tickets for almost any lengthy meet (Olympic Trials, NCAA's, National Championships) are those for the final day or two, when most events are finals. Touching on your football analogy, which NFL ticket is the most coveted (hint: It begins with Super)? I also happen to like longer meets and will attend the NCAA's, National Championships and World's this year and expect to enjoy every moment of them. But to call the writer an idiot, ignorant and patronising for writing an article which encourages fans to attend track meets; well, I just don't get it. Maybe you ought to come on out here some time and see what he's talking about.

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  • KevinM
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    Originally posted by Daisy
    Originally posted by lonewolf
    Texas Relays Schedule , 2009
    Total 38 hours for your viewing pleasure.
    What is the ratio of participants (including the family of the kids competing) and fans (no connection other than they want to see a track meet)?
    Like Penn (Jamaicans) and Drake (alums), Texas has a third group to consider - those there purely for the social aspect. Texas Relays is a huge event on the black social calendar in Texas.

    www.texasrelays.com

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by lonewolf
    Texas Relays Schedule , 2009
    Total 38 hours for your viewing pleasure.
    What is the ratio of participants (including the family of the kids competing) and fans (no connection other than they want to see a track meet)?

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  • kuha
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    Originally posted by lonewolf
    Texas Relays Schedule , 2009

    Wed: Mostly multis 1230 to 1930 M 5000m ( 7 plus hours)
    Thur: Multis 1100 to 1745 M 4 x 800 Relay (9 plus hours)
    Friday: 0930 W 4x100 relay to 2145 M 4 x 1500 Relay (13 hours)
    Sat: 0900: HS Girls PV (Sec B) to 1630 First os eleven 4 x 400s, ending about 1800. ( 9 hours)
    Total 38 hours for your viewing pleasure.
    Reminds me of skeet-shooting in Catch-22.

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  • lonewolf
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    Texas Relays Schedule , 2009

    Wed: Mostly multis 1230 to 1930 M 5000m ( 7 plus hours)
    Thur: Multis 1100 to 1745 M 4 x 800 Relay (9 plus hours)
    Friday: 0930 W 4x100 relay to 2145 M 4 x 1500 Relay (13 hours)
    Sat: 0900: HS Girls PV (Sec B) to 1630 First os eleven 4 x 400s, ending about 1800. ( 9 hours)
    Total 38 hours for your viewing pleasure.

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by donley2
    Depending on where you live there is NOTHING available within an easy drive except high school and college meets. That is what people are familiar with.
    I think it is a flaw to compare school and college meets to elite meets. Maybe I'm biased by growing up in europe with Pre-like meets being common. By the way it's not like Europeans are all going to track meets. Our experiences are not based on local knowledge but on TV and possibly one live meet a year.

    I've noticed that Americans often opine about not having college duel meets to attend, something that would not be on my radar as an exciting meet. Likewise HS and college events don't even expect an audience in Europe. I guess our track cultures are quite different. Or maybe your fans are just never exposed to international track due to TV's lack of interest?

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  • Speedfirst
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    Y'all know how long your typical track meet is, again many die hard fans even complain about that.

    So would you expect a casual fan to be any different?

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  • donley2
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    The soccer analogy is not good. There is no professional league quality circuit of meets available to the average US fan. Depending on where you live there is NOTHING available within an easy drive except high school and college meets. That is what people are familiar with.

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by KevinM
    International level meets are not "most track meets"
    From a fan's perspective they would be most meets, wouldn't they? Sure there are tons of other meets but you have to draw the line somewhere.

    To use a soccer analogy, Anything less than professional would not really count with regard to a fans perspective. So college and school games would not (should not?) be on the radar.

    To me it seems obvious that HS and college meets will be long and Olympic-like and should they really be lumped in as typical from a fans perspective? Those going to such a meet surely appreciate the necessity of the length, primarily they are events aimed at participation not fans. Although it is nice they throw in elite events it is not their reason for existence.

    Originally posted by KevinM
    Texas Relays is probably a 6 hour day on Saturday to see all of the "premier" events.
    Well I agree that is not good. I just looked at the Drake schedule, the one I was using as a reference, and their elite events started at 2:30 and finished at 5.

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  • KevinM
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    Originally posted by Daisy
    I guess if he never sees international level meets. Even the US relays have the marquee events in a limited time slot.
    International level meets are not "most track meets"; they are the all-too-rare exceptions, in terms of compact scheduling.

    As to your second point, the first Championship of America race on the Saturday at Penn this year was at 1:00pm, with the final USA vs the World race going off at 5:35. If you want to look just at the pro-level races, the USA vs. the World DMR went off at 1:45. Still almost a 4 hour day at the track (note that I'm not necessarily saying that Penn should change, as they obviously get the crowds either way).

    Texas Relays is probably a 6 hour day on Saturday to see all of the "premier" events.

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  • kuha
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    Originally posted by KevinM
    Is he wrong that most domestic meets are WAY too long? Face it: meets like Prefontaine are rare for the US track fan, and not just from a field quality perspective. Short of a few duals, how many other meets are completed in less than 3 hours? Most of our marquis meets - Penn, Drake, Mt. SAC, Texas, etc., are in fact marathon sessions that test the endurance of many of the serious fans, to say nothing of the rare casual fan not there for a family member or friend.
    Exactly. For better or worse, many folks in the US presume that "track meet" = a several-day ordeal with only intermittent action and lots of unimportant qualifying rounds.

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  • Daisy
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    I guess if he never sees international level meets. Even the US relays have the marquee events in a limited time slot.

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