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  • #76
    Re: Do college coaches burn out our athletes?

    >lets put some context into this. sub 14 sub 29 as a
    >freshman is Gabe Jennings territory (take a look at his freshman pr's and
    >you'll see they line up precisely). you're right, there's no way of knowing
    >what he could have done. but in the absence of taking a completely agnostic
    >view on this, we can infer based on what we know about physiological
    >progression of distance athletes et cetera that this kid had yet to hit his
    >potential; that in all likelihood he was a good 8 or 9 years away from his
    >potential.

    Sure, it is possible. It could also be likely that he did not have the internal makeup (mental/psychological) to handle the workload that loomed in those 8 or 9 years.

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    • #77
      Re: Do college coaches burn out our athletes?

      Epelle-

      A couple good posts. For the most part I agree, an athlete is, at least in part, responsible for his/her own actions and resulting fate. This is why it is so crucial for an athlete to fully trust the coach and for the coach to fully trust the athlete.

      The athlete must be confident that the coach has their best interest in mind with no other agenda (even a team championship can be seen as counterproductive to individual needs). The athlete must also trust the methods - they must agree in philosophy. To again use AW as an example - he didn't trust the Michigan system and we know the result.

      The coach must also be mature enough to hold a young or tired athlete back at times. Athletes often fear losing fitness or falling behind as a result of missed workouts. This results in attempts to train through sickness and injury. The coach must be strong enough to tell the athlete "no" and the athlete must trust enough to listen.

      Likewise the coach must trust the athlete. If the athlete says they are tired, sick, injured the coach must respect that. This is often tricky as many athletes won't be honest with their coaches or even themselves. They must be trained to listen to their bodies not to simply be tough, suck it up and "train through".

      Regarding the three-a-days. While this may seem extreme it, or course, depends on many factors. The athletes background, age, running style, weight, intensity of runs and distance of runs. One run of 20 miles at 5min./mi is much more demanding than 3 seven mile runs at 7min/mi. The breaks in between runs may actually be making ultimate workload easier than more difficult.

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      • #78
        Re: Do college coaches burn out our athletes?

        Cyril,

        Thanks for the post. I hope others see for themselves the trust, honesty and courage it takes to train to win (or PR) as clearly as you see it.

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        • #79
          Re: Do college coaches burn out our athletes?

          >i believe this burning out and overtraining and overracing is all in ones mind,
          >bill rodgers ran races almost every week at the end of 140-170 miles a week, ed
          >heleybuck ran a 105 half marathon, one week after his 212 marathon at age 43,
          >mike musyocki ran a race almost every weekend. all 3 had long careers heleybuck
          >is still competing as is bill rodgers who now in his 50s said a couple of
          >months ago was his first real injury, he still runs excellent age group times
          >and when he is seen on interviews still seems very enthusiastic about running.
          >we have all heard stories of africans walking and running 6 miles each way
          >since early childhood, example geb said he did that at starting at age 6-7 and
          >he is still running great. so when runners say they are burned out on 80-90 mpw
          >i dont believe it.

          please. don't insult me. it's not in my head. i was one of many partial ride guys at U of M in the sulli, mort, snyder days. when i'm running between 90 and 110 mile weeks, at 5:45 or better, i can say with a level of assurance that when the body breaks down, it has nothing to do with my mind. i'm as tough as they come, and not shy to the workload, running long runs with mort dropping from 5:45 to 5:15 range. so again, i've done the miles, i've done them quick, and i'll have you know there's nothing wrong with my mind. when you hit that wall, you just hit it - it could be in the middle of a long run in your 7th or 8th plus 100 mile week and your legs just stop. there's nothing mental there. the legs just don't have it anymore. maybe if i was world class i wouldn't have that problem. given my limited potential and physiology, it was not mental, and i'm sure it's the same for a lot of college athletes.

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          • #80
            Re: Do college coaches burn out our athletes?

            To get back to the original question of this thread. The coach isn't as at fault as is the system which the coach is operating under. Within this system it is the coach's responsibility to produce winning teams. This goal entails getting the most out of each athlete during the current season or the four years that they are at the school. There is little or no concern beyond that. This often results in alot of racing, alot of training without long-term goals in mind, putting athletes through "cookie cutter" programs designed for the top 1-2 guys and even occasionally racing athletes ill or sick (to earn points for big meets).

            The program's success is a priority and the athletes short-term success is a means to that end.

            Again, in a coach's defense - they are just doing their job as directed by the AD. Produce winning teams not help an athlete to reach their ultimate potential upon phsical and pscholgoical maturation.

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            • #81
              Re: Do college coaches burn out our athletes?

              Of course some athletes get burned out by colleges. You never saw this kind of thing in the Eastern Bloc, where athletes were trained and raced rationally, with the aim being to maximize the athlete's potential. There are more than a few ways to burn out athletes, including not knowing how to coach them properly, and racing them too hard and too often. Mr. Hill's comment "What better training for racing than actually racing? Particularly when you're tired." is absurd.

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              • #82
                Re: Do college coaches burn out our athletes?

                When I was in high school(not in Iowa), we could compete in 4 running events besides the field events. My freshman year only about 10 guys were out for track so I would compete in the LJ,HJ,440,1x4,2x4,4x4. Even though we only had 1-2 meets per week, I was tired and my legs hurt all track season.

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                • #83
                  Re: Do college coaches burn out our athletes?

                  I ran 51 races my senior year in high school - mainly a lot of 1,600m/800m doubles and a 4x4 at the end of every meet through regionals. I tripled twice. I didn t feel burned out by the time state finals rolled around, and PRd in the semis. I did this with an average of 30 mpw.

                  There were two schools of thought when I entered my college program: One which had all the guys already up to 65-75 mpw when they arrived for cross, and another which had guys come in from light summer running and ready to train through the fall for January track season. I fell into the second category, and it was the best choice I could have made.

                  The cross coach sacrificed points to give me time to develop.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Do college coaches burn out our athletes?

                    Epelle-

                    Yes, that is using XC as prep. for track instead of a separate highly competitive season unto itself. I think that is the way to go, especially for a middle distance runner. Train very light in summer, have fun with cross without taking it too seriously. Then rest a bit, and get ready for a more intense track season.

                    For highly competitive individuals the trick is to keep xc in perspective. It hard for some guys to handle not being in front even though it should be viewed as prep. for track. It also hard for alot of coaches knowing they could have a more competitive xc team if they had some talented kids putting in more summer and fall effort.

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