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  • lonewolf
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    Eaton is a magnificant athlete but what impressed me was the way he ran the 1500 as though he had to win it to win the decathlon. I suppose he was motivated by some of the internal records but it was reassuring that he did not loaf through it after, barring disaster, he had the win locked up. He went into the 1500 with a 199 point lead and won by 198 points.

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  • 26mi235
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    Originally posted by paulthefan
    Montreal (1976)
    Jenner:
    day 1: 10.9 (0w)/7.22/15.35/2.03/47.5
    day 2: 14.84(0w)/50.04/4.8/68.5/4:12.6

    best events in order: PV (1005) , 400(923) , HJ (882) , DT(873), 110H (866), LJ(865), JT(862)

    He had a really nice mix of talents.
    4.8 was worth 1006 points? was it that different in the PV back in those days - it was well into the 'fiberglass' era?

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  • paulthefan
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    Originally posted by gh
    I mentioned this stat to Dan O'Brien and his first reaction was "no way," but then he thought for a second and pointed out that Jenner once told him that he (Jenner) had more running points than O'Brien. There's a lot to be had in those pesky throws. (I haven't checked to verify if that's really true)
    Montreal (1976)
    Jenner:
    day 1: 10.9 (0w)/7.22/15.35/2.03/47.5
    day 2: 14.84(0w)/50.04/4.8/68.5/4:12.6

    best events in order: PV (1005) , 400(923) , HJ (882) , DT(873), 110H (866), LJ(865), JT(862)

    He had a really nice mix of talents.

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  • gh
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    He's also focused on getting a third national HS record, with the "intermediate" implements.

    But if he keeps up this 4:09 nonsense he'll find himself on the XC team at Duke! :-)

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  • proofs in the pudd'in
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    Originally posted by dj
    Originally posted by proofs in the pudd'in
    Will Beach be competing at Nationals - Can he????
    Beach isn't entere in the senior meet as his 7466 with the senior implements leaves him short of the 7550 qualifying standard.

    He is entered in the junior USATF.
    Thanks! Oh well -man just missed it.

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  • dj
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    Originally posted by proofs in the pudd'in
    Will Beach be competing at Nationals - Can he????
    Beach isn't entere in the senior meet as his 7466 with the senior implements leaves him short of the 7550 qualifying standard.

    He is entered in the junior USATF.

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  • proofs in the pudd'in
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    Will Beach be competing at Nationals - Can he????

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  • gh
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    Problem with the 1500 is that it kind of stands alone.... to really improve there (to speak in generalities) requires losing weight at a time when one is attempting to put on muscle mass for virtually all the other events. Mehtinks that rarely do the scales balance there.

    (Yes, I'm aware that some big dudes have run some impressive times, but for most, it's just not gonna happen, and I don't see any amount of working on it making it happen.)

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  • unclezadok
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    There are a lot of points available in the pesky 1500m as well! A whole new world opens up when an athlete can use this event as a weapon rather than just getting it over with.

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  • gh
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    Originally posted by hooptampa
    ....
    But let's not forget he just completed the best "running" decathlon ever. What he did in the 4 running events is historic-10.35, 46.85, 13.85 into a 1.3 headwind, and then a 4:20 to finish it off. It's hard for me to see him earning substantially more points in the running events. Nobody in history has......
    I mentioned this stat to Dan O'Brien and his first reaction was "no way," but then he thought for a second and pointed out that Jenner once told him that he (Jenner) had more running points than O'Brien. There's a lot to be had in those pesky throws. (I haven't checked to verify if that's really true)

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  • Bruce Kritzler
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    I think it's going to take Beach a while. Right now he is at 7500, which would have got him about 11th at ncaa. That's the spot occupied by Gray Horn, UF, who was the top American freshman.

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  • paulthefan
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    Great to see Ashton take this one. What a talent, what a great kid!

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  • unclezadok
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    Originally posted by gm
    Originally posted by unclezadok
    One way to look at it is this. To me these marks seem reasonable goals for him by 2012:
    10.44, 25-4, 48-6, 6-11, 45.96, 13.77, 145, 17-0, 197, 4:17.

    This assumes he becomes a decent decathlon thrower, which he certainly has the tools to be. He could even be quite good at the JT. Other than the throws, most of these marks aren't even that better than his PRs except for the 400m.
    Unless I made an error, this adds up to over 9100. One reason for this is his good 1500m.
    However, I am not sure that his potential is greater than Beach's.
    All well and good, but doing all those in the SAME meet is the tough part, and is what separates the great ones from the potentially great ones. It's a fun game to play, though.
    Absolutely--that's why I entered in the deca calculator a figure less than I thought his PR for the event would be by 2012--with the exception of the 400m. Also, I think bulking up to do the throws at this level will not hurt the other events at all (maybe the 1500m--but remember what Jenner did at Montreal). I picture him as a slightly smaller version of what O'Brien looked like in his peak years. But I doubt if he will ever go over 4:30 in the 1500m if he has held it together physically throughout the event, unless he doesn't need many points in the 1500m.
    About Beach--arguably his speed is as good as Eaton's, it is just concentrated at a slightly longer range of distance. It's still speed, but it is great 400m and 1500m speed, while still being good speed at 100m and 110H. It is just as, or almost as, valuable, especially since Beach's jumps are so good. Beach's throwing potential seems just about the same as Eaton's--maybe not quite as high.

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  • deca-pat
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    Originally posted by gh
    Originally posted by deca-pat
    21 guys over 7grand!
    the best-ever marks-for-place in NCAA decs (top 10):

    1. 8304w Tito Steiner 81
    8276 Brian Brophy 92
    2. 8227 Aric Long 92
    3. 8176 Pedro da Silva 92
    4. 8087 Muhammad Oliver 92
    5. 7945 Ryan Harlan 02
    6. 7878W Paul Foxson 92
    7817 Paul Foxson 92
    7. 7875 Rob Pendergist 92
    8. 7870 Matt Shelton 92
    9. 7707 Rick Schwieger 92
    10. 7688 Ron Blums 92
    Wow! I knew the '92 season was special, but this really puts it into perspective.

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  • gh
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    the all-time NCAA dec performances list:

    8304w Tito Steiner (BYU) 81
    8261 Mike Ramos (Wa) 86
    8276 Brian Brophy (Tn) 92
    8241 Ashton Eaton (Or) 09
    8227 Aric Long (Tn) 92
    8215 Jake Arnold (Az) 07
    8205 Rob Muzzio (GM) 84
    8184 Tom Pappas (Tn) 99
    8176 Pedro da Silva (Or) 92
    8172 Mario Sategna (LSU) 95
    8141 Mark Anderson (UCLA) 81

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