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    gh
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  • gh
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    For all intents and purposes, the OG/WC qualifying methods are "identical."

    You've got to remember that Nebiolo had it in his mind that his WC was just as big and important as the OG. He made that very clear. And when he invented the wild-card concept it was to promote the IAAF's meet, not the OG.

    I have no idea if the idea of OG wildcards has ever been floated to current IAAF management, but I'd say it's an idea whose time has come. But I'd not expect it to get a lot of support. At least unless they made it the OG champ instead of the world champ.

    You'd not find, for example, a lot of nations willing to sign off on the U.S. having Wariner and Merritt in the meet.... AND THREE MORE!

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  • guruof track
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    @ 26-

    Seems like it would make sense to me, but the WC are different from the Olympics. They use to different qualifyin systems. Based on that and that alone, the current system is the best we can really ask for (considering its 2 different bodies).

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  • 26mi235
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    Originally posted by tandfman
    Originally posted by knite
    Is the Clay the defending champ for WC's ?
    Only if his name used to be Šebrle.
    Does it seem a bit odd to others, as it does to me, that the champion from last year does not get an automatic pass (when the even is both a bigger deal and more recent) while the athlete from two years ago does get that pass?

    Would there be too many past champions? Would there be a problem for the them to use the most recent global championship (i.e., the Olympics the year after and the WCs in the third year of the Olympic cycle)?

    While I am editing a minor omission, I will thank gh for his informed comment two down.

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  • guruof track
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    Originally posted by 2 cents
    Gleason, you have shown yourself to be a huge proponent of Xavier Carter running a lot of races. You mention it all the time. You also appear to have some inability to see that Xavier Carter has regressed as an athlete. I too have a difficult time accepting that he is not as good as he once was. You look at him through rose colored lenses. Perhaps he will live up to your expectations, but it really seems that he will not. I once thought he would eventually break 44 seconds in the 400, but now I really don't have any reason to believe this.

    He hasn't regressed, he just has NOT been healthy. Last year he ran a 44.70 last year off NO endurance training and also PRed in the 100 last year. Then he went down to injury. The year before that, he dislocated his knee aat the US Champs came back and ran a 19.92.

    He hasn't been healthy to have the opportunities he has needed to be in his 06 form.

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  • knite
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  • knite
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    Originally posted by Gleason
    Originally posted by 2 cents
    Gleason, you have shown yourself to be a huge proponent of Xavier Carter running a lot of races. You mention it all the time. You also appear to have some inability to see that Xavier Carter has regressed as an athlete. I too have a difficult time accepting that he is not as good as he once was. You look at him through rose colored lenses. Perhaps he will live up to your expectations, but it really seems that he will not. I once thought he would eventually break 44 seconds in the 400, but now I really don't have any reason to believe this.
    I agree.
    what? So then tell me why he should double??? :?

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  • Gleason
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  • Gleason
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    Originally posted by 2 cents
    Gleason, you have shown yourself to be a huge proponent of Xavier Carter running a lot of races. You mention it all the time. You also appear to have some inability to see that Xavier Carter has regressed as an athlete. I too have a difficult time accepting that he is not as good as he once was. You look at him through rose colored lenses. Perhaps he will live up to your expectations, but it really seems that he will not. I once thought he would eventually break 44 seconds in the 400, but now I really don't have any reason to believe this.
    I agree.

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  • 2 cents
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    Gleason, you have shown yourself to be a huge proponent of Xavier Carter running a lot of races. You mention it all the time. You also appear to have some inability to see that Xavier Carter has regressed as an athlete. I too have a difficult time accepting that he is not as good as he once was. You look at him through rose colored lenses. Perhaps he will live up to your expectations, but it really seems that he will not. I once thought he would eventually break 44 seconds in the 400, but now I really don't have any reason to believe this.

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  • Gleason
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  • Gleason
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    Re: US Nationals: Things to ponder?

    Originally posted by knite
    I know his history, but without knowing how he fares in the same day double where folks will be running well along with him, won't allow for any mishaps. Merritt and Larry come to mind as 2 who will be running well. That leaves only one spot to flirt with. However, I assume that they are simulating this type of effort in training. So I hope it all works out for him. As being that successful on short time frame would put him back on that '06 status!
    I agree about Merritt, but Larry, Neville, Williamson, Witherspoon, Nixon and Torrance have been inconsistent. The collegians have been even worse.

    The 12 guys behind Merritt could run anything between 44.4 and 46.6.

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  • guruof track
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    I don't see Larry beating X, especially when rounds are involved. Thats assuming both are healthy.

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  • knite
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  • knite
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    Re: US Nationals: Things to ponder?

    Originally posted by Gleason
    Originally posted by knite
    That was quick. They've been updating the lists all day! Great job on that.
    I still wouldn't recommend Xman to double....!
    Why not? On Saturday June 27 he has about 1 1/2 hours between a 200 heat & the 400 final. At the 2005 NCAA he ran 20.08 and 44.0r with less rest. In 2007 USAT&F he ran 21.02 to make the 200 semi.

    After his 44.70 in 2008 he said that he likes to run two races/day. He did well at the 2006 NCAA with five races at 100 & four races at 400 in four days.

    IF he makes the team in both events he can wait until August to choose his event based on performances by the opposition.
    I know his history, but without knowing how he fares in the same day double where folks will be running well along with him, won't allow for any mishaps. Merritt and Larry come to mind as 2 who will be running well. That leaves only one spot to flirt with. However, I assume that they are simulating this type of effort in training. So I hope it all works out for him. As being that successful on short time frame would put him back on that '06 status!

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  • Gleason
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  • Gleason
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    Re: US Nationals: Things to ponder?

    Originally posted by knite
    That was quick. They've been updating the lists all day! Great job on that.
    I still wouldn't recommend Xman to double....!
    Why not? On Saturday June 27 he has about 1 1/2 hours between a 200 heat & the 400 final. At the 2005 NCAA he ran 20.08 and 44.0r with less rest. In 2007 USAT&F he ran 21.02 to make the 200 semi.

    After his 44.70 in 2008 he said that he likes to run two races/day. He did well at the 2006 NCAA with five races at 100 & four races at 400 in four days.

    IF he makes the team in both events he can wait until August to choose his event based on performances by the opposition.

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  • Speedfirst
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  • Speedfirst
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    Re: US Nationals: Things to ponder?

    Originally posted by knite
    Originally posted by nrh
    Originally posted by knite
    I just noticed a few entries for US nationals in 2 wks:

    Status Entries: http://www.usatf.org/events/2009/USAOut ... status.asp

    I see Lagat is entered in the 800m's, presumably getting in some speed work in his preparations for WC's this summer.

    What is the cutof for entrants into any event, the list for the 1500m's seems incredibly long this yr.

    No Xavier Carter in any event?
    X is now entered in the 200m & 400m.
    That was quick. They've been updating the lists all day! Great job on that.

    I still wouldn't recommend Xman to double....!
    He wants to have options and doubling is the only way to have options. If he makes both, he may elect to only compete in one.

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  • texas_speed
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    Am I the only one noticing no Torri on the 100 or 200 entry list?

    Same coach and management (HSI) as Carmelita right?

    Hmmmm....

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  • TrackDaddy
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    Re: US Nationals: Things to ponder?

    Originally posted by knite
    Originally posted by nrh
    Originally posted by knite
    I just noticed a few entries for US nationals in 2 wks:

    Status Entries: http://www.usatf.org/events/2009/USAOut ... status.asp

    I see Lagat is entered in the 800m's, presumably getting in some speed work in his preparations for WC's this summer.

    What is the cutof for entrants into any event, the list for the 1500m's seems incredibly long this yr.

    No Xavier Carter in any event?
    I dont think he'll double.

    Just keeping his options open in case the entrants change.

    X is now entered in the 200m & 400m.
    That was quick. They've been updating the lists all day! Great job on that.

    I still wouldn't recommend Xman to double....!

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  • EPelle
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    http://newsok.com/osu-home-to-fernandez/article/3307132

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