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  • 2009 USATF: m1500 - Lopez Lomong 3:41.68

    1. Leonel Manzano (Nike) 3
    2. Lopez Lomong (Nike) 2
    3. Alan Webb (Nike) 6
    4. Rob Myers (Reebok) 10
    5. German Fernandez (Oklahoma St) nr
    6. Chris Lukezic (Reebok) 9
    7. Garrett Heath (Stanford) nr
    8. Will Leer (Oregon TC) 5
    9. Dorian Ulrey (Arkansas) nr
    10. Dave Torrence (unat) nr

  • #2
    I think if Fernandez runs he could finish second.

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    • #3
      My pick:

      Webb
      Lomong
      Myers

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      • #4
        In the itnerest of keeping everything together as much as possible, here's a 1500 thread's content's cut and pasted from regular forum

        dl



        Joined: 08 Oct 2005
        Posts: 1394

        Posted: 22 Jun 2009 21:34 Post subject: More than 50 athletes declared for men's 1500
        Will they still just run two rounds? If so, the qualifying will be brutal. 4 heats, top 2 plus times? We might see some crazy heats.
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        Gleason



        Joined: 11 Jun 2007
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        Location: Campbell CA
        Posted: 22 Jun 2009 21:54 Post subject: Re: More than 50 athletes declared for men's 1500
        dl wrote:
        Will they still just run two rounds? If so, the qualifying will be brutal. 4 heats, top 2 plus times? We might see some crazy heats.


        Why not four heats, top three to the final? The final will be tactical, so why have a time component? As gh recently wrote "its about competition."

        Only three milers (including Lagat) have made the WCh "A" standard, so results in the final may be overwhelmed by times run by milers.

        This is why I hope that 2010 USAT&F requires WCh "A" standard for entry. IF 2009 and 2011 differ, go with the lower standard. Use the wider time window of Jan. 1, 2009 through mid-June 2010. Set a minimum of eight entries where less than eight athletes have the "A" standard.

        The global recession can be used as an excuse, if necesssary.
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        gh



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        Posted: 23 Jun 2009 07:07 Post subject:
        Schedule only allots 20 minutes, so unless they start tracking them out there Penn Relays style to stay on schedule I don't see how they could run more than 4 heats. But if cutting to a 12-man final that'd be a brutal 2+4. Not sure I wouldn't prefer to see them expand to a 14-man final, 3+2
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        26mi235



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        Location: Madison, WI
        Posted: 23 Jun 2009 07:36 Post subject:
        The 14 spots makes sense to me and is more likely to result n the highest likelihood of both fair races and the best team. Of course, having four slots instead of three also helps, and with Lagat having the pass and not competing in the race, there is already one more slot available.
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        KevinM



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        Location: Brooklyn, NY
        Posted: 23 Jun 2009 09:32 Post subject:
        Has anyone ably explained the logic behind not only the ultra-slow standard, but also the discrepancy between the 1500m mark and the significantly faster mile time required to make it into the same field?
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        Dutra



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        Posts: 1335

        Posted: 23 Jun 2009 10:11 Post subject:
        KevinM wrote:
        Has anyone ably explained the logic behind not only the ultra-slow standard, but also the discrepancy between the 1500m mark and the significantly faster mile time required to make it into the same field?


        my guess all along has been typo.
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        Gleason



        Joined: 11 Jun 2007
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        Location: Campbell CA
        Posted: 24 Jun 2009 01:26 Post subject:
        26mi235 wrote:
        The 14 spots makes sense to me and is more likely to result n the highest likelihood of both fair races and the best team. Of course, having four slots instead of three also helps, and with Lagat having the pass and not competing in the race, there is already one more slot available.


        The problem with a 14 person final is the "no hopers" who made the final by 0.001 second may get in the way of the two guys who have made the "A" standard. Nobody wants to see a fall that would injure a miler who has made the "A" standard. Because the final will probably be a kickers race, four heats with three qualifiers would prepare milers for the final.

        I noticed on the entry list that only 10 milers have made the "A" or "B" standard. Some finalists will have no chance of running in Berlin, so keep the field to 12 runners for their safety.

        The old adage of KISS-- Keep It Simple, Stupid--applies here. Top three--no times.

        I assume that Wheating will scratch 1500 leaving exactly 48 by my count. Four heats of 12 each should take 30 minutes. Any meet that is only 10 minutes late would be a record!

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        • #5
          Interesting turn of events on German Fernandez. He had been entered in the Sr 1500 and 5k as well as the Jr 1500 and 5k.

          He declared in both Sr events and the Jr 5k, but has scratched the Jr 1500.

          The schedule for the remaining events:
          Th 7:05, Sr 1500 heats
          Fr 8:15, Sr 5000 final
          Su 2:31, Sr 1500 final
          Su 4:50, Jr 5000 final

          Any guesses as to what he decides to do?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dj
            Interesting turn of events on German Fernandez. He had been entered in the Sr 1500 and 5k as well as the Jr 1500 and 5k.

            He declared in both Sr events and the Jr 5k, but has scratched the Jr 1500.

            The schedule for the remaining events:
            Th 7:05, Sr 1500 heats
            Fr 8:15, Sr 5000 final
            Su 2:31, Sr 1500 final
            Su 4:50, Jr 5000 final

            Any guesses as to what he decides to do?
            Sr 1500m heats. If he makes the final he'll run it.

            If he misses the 1500m final then he'll run the Jr. 5000m

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dutra
              Sr 1500m heats. If he makes the final he'll run it.

              If he misses the 1500m final then he'll run the Jr. 5000m
              I agree with the first. But if he misses the 1500 final, perhaps he runs the Sr 5k? And if he misses on both, does he still run the Jr 5k two days after the Sr?

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              • #8
                I'm surprised no one picked Gabe Jennings for a top-ten finish

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                • #9
                  Very interested to see what G.Fernandez does here. He is dangerous, while it would be incredible and exciting if he made the World Team, I wouldn't be shocked.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jney
                    Very interested to see what G.Fernandez does here. He is dangerous, while it would be incredible and exciting if he made the World Team, I wouldn't be shocked.

                    If he's running for sure, I think he and his coach are playing with fire.

                    It's been a long year (+) and he needs to rest. That injury at NCAA CC was his body giving a small wake-up call.

                    Several people I've talked (established HS and collegiate coaches) with have agreed this kid is a hand grenade just waiting to go off. And not in a good way; something NONE of us want to happen..

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Brian
                      Several people I've talked (established HS and collegiate coaches) with have agreed this kid is a hand grenade just waiting to go off. And not in a good way; something NONE of us want to happen..
                      Isn't this a tad dramatic? GF is a runner. This is what he does. Unless he is injured, if he does not feel burned out, why not give it a shot?

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                      • #12
                        I agree with 2cents...even though it's been a long season, Fernandez has not run that many races...he and his coach have been quite selective.

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                        • #13
                          4 heats. Top 2 plus 4 times. Brutal.

                          I'd be there's a good chance Wheating won't run the 1500, and perhaps Fernandez as well, which could be a gift to those in heat 3.

                          Event 9 Men 1500 Meter Run
                          ================================================== =============================
                          12 Advance: Top 2 Each Heat plus Next 4 Best Times
                          Thursday 6/25/2009 - 7:05 PM
                          World: 3:26.00 7/7/1998 Hicham El Guerrouj, MAR
                          American: 3:29.30 8/28/2005 Bernard Lagat, Nike
                          Hayward: 3:32.81 2007 Daniel K. Komen, Kenya
                          Name Year Team Seed
                          ================================================== =============================
                          Heat 1 Prelims
                          1 Garrett Heath Stanford 3:37.57
                          2 John Jefferson Oregon TC El 3:39.55
                          3 Dorian Ulrey Arkansas 3:39.83
                          4 Andrew Jesien Virginia 3:41.89
                          5 Rob Myers Reebok 3:36.23
                          6 Liam Boylan-Pett Georgetown 3:41.11
                          7 Korey Edwards unattached 3:44.41
                          8 Mark Matusak California 3:43.70
                          9 Cory Nanni Duke 3:43.02
                          10 Ian Cronin unattached 3:44.09
                          11 Patrick Sovacool Miami/Ohio 3:43.27
                          12 Michael Coe California 3:56.18
                          13 William Berlin Virginia Tech 3:42.78
                          Heat 2 Prelims
                          1 Emory Gibbs unattached 3:41.65
                          2 Tommy Schmitz Wisconsin Runner 3:41.46
                          3 Erik Van Ingen Binghamton 3:43.18
                          4 Lopez Lomong Nike 3:36.70
                          5 Daniel Castle unattached 3:44.08
                          6 Jonathan Pierce unattached 3:44.75
                          7 Macklin Chaffee unattached 3:44.71
                          8 Christopher Lukezic Reebok 3:37.32
                          9 Austin Abbott unattached 3:39.63
                          10 David Juiliano New Balance B 3:43.18
                          11 Derek Scott Team Indiana/Brk 3:39.63
                          12 Russell Brown Oregon TC El 3:43.79
                          13 Benjamin True unattached 3:42.41
                          Heat 3 Prelims
                          1 William Leer Oregon TC El 3:37.63
                          2 Andrew Wheating Oregon 3:40.92
                          3 Alan Webb Nike 3:35.86
                          4 Alex Tatu Ragged Mountain 3:44.30
                          5 Adam Perkins unattached 3:43.34
                          6 Brian Graybill Missouri 3:42.80
                          7 David Torrence unattached 3:56.75
                          8 Matthew Elliott unattached 3:43.61
                          9 Chad Hall Cal Riverside 3:44.12
                          10 German Fernandez Oklahoma St 3:39.00
                          11 Andy McClary Arkansas 3:41.96
                          12 Steve Sherer N Y A C 3:39.97
                          Heat 4 Prelims
                          1 Scott Smith U C Santa Barb 3:44.28
                          2 Stephen Pifer Oregon TC El 3:40.28
                          3 Jeff See Ohio State 3:40.46
                          4 Darren Brown unattached 3:58.35
                          5 Daniel Strackeljahn unattached 3:42.67
                          6 Tim Cornell Missouri 3:44.15
                          7 Aucencio Martinez Boulder R C 3:43.38
                          8 Gabriel Jennings unattached 3:58.25
                          9 Leonel Manzano Nike 3:34.14
                          10 Jordan McNamara Oregon 3:42.09
                          11 Craig Miller unattached 3:37.81
                          12 John Bolas unattached 3:37.64
                          13 Michael Wickman Chico State 3:43.52

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                          • #14
                            That is absolute and ignorant idiocy. Anyone with any understanding of distance running and qualifying from heats would not accept that...It gives a huge advantage in those runners in the final heat, obviously...

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                            • #15
                              Heat Three

                              So, potentially Leer, Wheating, Webb, and Fernandez all in the same heat. What sort of first 800 could we be looking at here?!

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