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  • Brian
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    Re: Fans deserve better!

    Originally posted by Daisy
    Anyone see the article on the front page criticizing the preselected athletes for not putting in an honest effort?

    Specifically one comment at the bottom?
    If they don't show, they don't promote their sponsors. Besides, this is Hayward field, not some high school track. These no-shows are an embarrassment.
    Seems a little strong. I think it is great that these athletes are training through the trials aiming to be at their peak in the worlds. Are the fans really that pissed?

    While the writer has a point, please keep in mind that this was written by someone not seeing (or perhaps even caring, for that matter) about the Big Picture:

    It is my understanding (and someone PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong on this!) if a person with a wildcard doesn't compete or place in the top three in the final (runs in a different event, like Lagat), it means yet another person wearing red, white, and blue in the event at the Worlds.


    Take Allison Felix for example. If she, the defending champ, places in the top three in an event final, only three athletes (including Felix) from the US go to Berlin in the event. If she skips the final, there are three US sprinters going to the Worlds PLUS Felix herself, by virtue of her wildcard.

    Some of these people--Felix a prime example--would be in theory risking their year-end ranking (and sponsorship contract incentives) by being "beaten" (throwing) in the final, so either no final or a different event (Lagat) where they wouldn't be world or US ranked anyway.

    So unless I'm incorrect about this, we, as a national team, are better off with our elite title defenders skipping the finals or doing another event entirely. The only downside might be an elite qualifying to advance (as both Lagat and Felix did) which takes a spot--and the nationals experience away from another, probably inexperienced and developing, athlete. But in the Big Picture, perhaps better to send another already truly elite on to Berlin.

    And that Worlds experience--even if ousted in the first round--can pay HUGE dividends down the road in future Worlds or The Games for a developing potential star, especially in the sprints where the event turnover is greater.


    Think U-S-A.

    Not O-R-E-G-O-N.

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  • Gleason
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    Re: Fans deserve better!

    Originally posted by Daisy
    Originally posted by Gleason
    They aren't "training through the trials."
    From another thread.
    Originally posted by EPelle
    "I felt alright," Lagat said, quite winded after the race. "It's hard to run the 800m. I can't remember the last time I ran one, although I did run a 1000m last year in 2:16. But I needed to work on my speed and this was a good training run for me."
    Lagat, who said he plans on doubling at the World Championships, will not run in the next round. He said he was planning on leaving the meet, returning to his hotel to pack, flying out of Eugene and heading to Germany where he will train and next compete.
    Front-page link on Universal Sports thursday wrap-up.
    There is a difference between "training through" and "training run." In 2007 Wariner ran 20.35 to finish fourth behind Martin at USAT&F. Martin went on to finish fourth at Osaka. Wariner probably would have finished fifth at Osaka if the U.S. would have been allowed to enter four 200 sprinters and the schedule would have allowed it. A "training run" for Wariner is a career highlight for 99.99% of elite athletes.

    I don't know if "Daisy" has ever run or coached, so here is an example of "training through."
    IF Lagat's 800 heat is on June 25, "training through" could be this:
    June 24
    1. Two miles in 15 minutes warmup.
    2. 4 x 100 meters in 13 - 14 seconds with a 100 meters jog to prepare for:
    3. 20 x 400 meters at 60 seconds with a 100 meters jog in 60 seconds.
    4. One mile warmdown in eight minutes.
    About 10 miles total.

    I saw no example of "training through."

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  • Daisy
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    Re: Fans deserve better!

    Originally posted by Gleason
    They aren't "training through the trials."
    From another thread.
    Originally posted by EPelle
    "I felt alright," Lagat said, quite winded after the race. "It's hard to run the 800m. I can't remember the last time I ran one, although I did run a 1000m last year in 2:16. But I needed to work on my speed and this was a good training run for me."

    Lagat, who said he plans on doubling at the World Championships, will not run in the next round. He said he was planning on leaving the meet, returning to his hotel to pack, flying out of Eugene and heading to Germany where he will train and next compete.
    Front-page link on Universal Sports thursday wrap-up.

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  • Gleason
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    Re: Fans deserve better!

    Originally posted by Daisy
    Anyone see the article on the front page criticizing the preselected athletes for not putting in an honest effort?
    Specifically one comment at the bottom?
    If they don't show, they don't promote their sponsors. Besides, this is Hayward field, not some high school track. These no-shows are an embarrassment.
    Seems a little strong. I think it is great that these athletes are training through the trials aiming to be at their peak in the worlds. Are the fans really that pissed?
    They aren't "training through the trials." Many runners have tried another event to learn that they win the OG in it, eg. Wottle(800), Ovett(800), Devers(100) and Perec(200) or you can go back to 1948 when Harrison Dillard won the 100 instead of the high hurdles, Mel Patton lost the 100 but won the 200 and Arthur Wint lost the 800 but came back to win the 400.

    I've been to multiple OGs, OTs, nationals and NCAAs. The first day is usually dull, so seeing Wariner try the 200, Clement try the 400, Lagat try the 800 and Gay go 100% in the 100 instead of "easing up" would make that day much more interesting. In fact, I wish that Gay and Felix had tried the 400. Felix finished 4th (2007) and 5th (2008)in the 100, so I would have liked to see her run three 400s in three days.

    Because USAT&F can't draw the crowd that OT does, it can barely draw a crowd for four days, so some stars do not have the time to double. WCh allows them to use WCh winners to allow doubling. I disagree 100% with that article.

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  • Daisy
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    Fans deserve better!

    Anyone see the article on the front page criticizing the preselected athletes for not putting in an honest effort?

    Specifically one comment at the bottom?
    If they don't show, they don't promote their sponsors. Besides, this is Hayward field, not some high school track. These no-shows are an embarrassment.
    Seems a little strong. I think it is great that these athletes are training through the trials aiming to be at their peak in the worlds. Are the fans really that pissed?
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