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  • USATF Youth Trials

    Anyone following this?

    Not sure if the plan to switch from selections to trials will work this first time.

    As best I can tell, only one male steeplechaser, only 11 boys in the 100 meter dash?

    USATF failure? Dyestat has updated lists of everyone eligible. Do they even talk? Does USATF actively recruit from these lists?

    I know all have had long high school seasons, but still. A chance for a World Championships...

  • #2
    The Youth program is in a shambles and has been for as long as I've followed it. Since there seems to be ZERO communication between USATF and the state HS federations, that doesn't surprise me. You can't rely on age-group track clubs to provide the talent. Only a small minority of HS stars belong to a club. The communication has to come to the HSs.

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    • #3
      Sorry, Pat, you're just wrong on this one. There is a huge and very active base of youth clubs, especially in your state. Go to a USATF youth meet in Miami some day.

      Most high schools trash or ignore any communication about getting their athletes involved in summer track, in my experience.

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      • #4
        The selection process before was flawed, they were selecting from meets that are not always well attended by the top preps and communication about selection was unclear.

        I thought this was surprisingly well communicated (compared to the past) and selection seems clear.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by gm
          Sorry, Pat, you're just wrong on this one. There is a huge and very active base of youth clubs, especially in your state. Go to a USATF youth meet in Miami some day.
          gm, I know my own state! Yes, there ARE big clubs, especially in Miami, Orlando, and Tampa. But they are 99% little kids; they are not the majority of the HS elite. If you want the best to compete, you're going to have to go the HSs, and that's just not being done.

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          • #6
            okay, looking at the Dyestat profiles, it does look like some top youth athletes will be there, but certainly not the fields that they could be.

            No Nick Vena, but Ryan Crouser still won in a world youth leading mark.

            So it looks like we may send 15 possible medal contenders, but frustrating when we could be sending so many more.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dupontred
              okay, looking at the Dyestat profiles, it does look like some top youth athletes will be there, but certainly not the fields that they could be.

              No Nick Vena, but Ryan Crouser still won in a world youth leading mark.

              So it looks like we may send 15 possible medal contenders, but frustrating when we could be sending so many more.
              Keep in mind the World Youth Champs is for athletes 17 & under while the U.S. Juniors are for athletes 19 & under. Some of the top HS talent may be too old to compete in the WY Trials, therefore the Juniors were the only option available.

              Also, considering the schedule of the Juniors versus the WY Trials, I'm sure that was factor'd into a lot of athletes' scheduling.

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              • #8
                USATF, decided on a trial system for the 2009 World Youth Team. I don't think they got it wrong. All of these youth had to meet a certain mark to even try out. These marks are based on passed marks that have medaled at this event. Just like some one said earlier this is 17 to 16 years olds and most of these kids are the top of their age group in performances.

                Instead of putting down this field of athletes lets encourage them. USATF did get it right this year!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Andy4
                  USATF did get it right this year!
                  When you look at the annual collegiate lists, you can see that the NCAA 'gets it right'. When you look at the USA list, you can see that the USATF meet 'gets it right'. But when you look at the list of athletes who COULD be on the Youth team, it's easy to see that it's FAR from 'getting it right'. Of course the logistics are far more problematic with 16 and 17 year-olds, but the team we send will be far from our best, just like the WUG teams we sent or the U-23 teams we send are far from the best. When US-Soccer sends a U-17 or U-23 team to a world tournament, they get it right. It can be done.

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                  • #10
                    So who isn't there that should be?

                    I will admit to not knowing all of the Elite Youth in each event but to me it seems as if the cream of the crop is in attendance.

                    Outside of Vena, anyone know why he isn't there? The meet has the best in the country.

                    Hardy and Purvis are in attendance for the short sprints.
                    Dale Morgan is there for the Hurdles.
                    Ebony Eutsey is there for the 400.
                    Sveinsson in the 1500.
                    Brannon and Brewer are both in attendance for the Jumps.
                    Same goes for Lavong and Convington in the Long and Triple.
                    Crouser just broke the American Record with the 11lb. Shot, which should fuel him to an impressive throw in the disc.
                    Briscoe is there in the HJ.
                    and I can continue to add to this list.

                    So outside of Vena... what absolute stud isn't there?

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                    • #11
                      Several yrs ago our state was host to a regional (USATF youth) championship. Long story short was that several of the so called 'leaders' in the state organization absconded with many thousands $$ of dollars from that event. Known by many and it became the white elephant in the room. Rather than have that go back into program development it lined the pockets of a few. Of course attempts to bring it to light - the messenger was shot.

                      Just an example of how we often shoot ourselves in the foot when trying to advance the sport. I found in fighting to be the bane of most efforts to rise above the 'norm'.

                      Side note - I talked to a national youth leader who sighed that our state was well known amongst the national people for "mismanagement".

                      Not saying all situations are this discouraging but a representation of the challenge. I think the youth programs have great promise, but seems like many holes in the infrastructure. No t sure what the answer is other than those driving the cars have disparate destinations.

                      Okay I'm done

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                      • #12
                        Okay, just read: Ryan Crouser: WYL, USR 70-08.50 w/11 lb. shot

                        11 lb shot? Why on earth would they do that? That's just silliness.

                        Throw the 12.

                        It's ONE MORE POUND!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BCBaroo
                          Throw the 12. It's ONE MORE POUND!
                          But this way, we get another record-holder. I, personally, hold the world record for the 10.27 (+ .01 lb) pound shot put!

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                          • #14
                            5kg, baby...why would the IAAF throw the 12? Just like the 1600/3200, we're the only country using it!

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