So we've got track and gymnastics and swimming and equestrian that want to restrict the world athletic powers from inundating their sport's championships, and then tennis and golf, and virtually every other first-, second- or third-tier sport allowing ALL the best to show up. Which group is having more success? I submit the latter.
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How about a compromise: let's test a new format with more spots per country with an event that would bring out such a format's best sides and see how it works out. Now, what could such an event be? Firstly, the final still shouldn't be entirely dominated by any one country, which rules out eight-athlete finals and therefore sprints and hurdles. Secondly, it shouldn't become too difficult to distinguish the many athletes from one country, so a field event would do better in any case. Thirdly, countries with superior domestic standard-reaching conditions such as long summers and fast tracks shouldn't be favored too much; not long or triple jumps, then. Fourthly, the event should have a clean reputation without too many doping cases in the recent past, so shot put, hammer and discus aren't optimal. Fifthly, the vertical jump competitions are very long as it is and shouldn't be lengthened any further by adding athletes. Sixthly, there should be a country or countries ready to use the extra spots - otherwise the test wouldn't make such sense - so wJT for instance wouldn't be optimal.
Does any event satisfy all the conditions above? - hmm, I can't think of any, guess we have to abandon that idea. Hey, wait, men's javelin might work! :wink:
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Originally posted by Big DaddyLeave it like it is. Top three. The world champ gets a bye. So it is the top 4 technically.on the road
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Originally posted by MarlowSo we've got track and gymnastics and swimming and equestrian that want to restrict the world athletic powers from inundating their sport's championships, and then tennis and golf, and virtually every other first-, second- or third-tier sport allowing ALL the best to show up. Which group is having more success? I submit the latter.Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...
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Originally posted by MarlowSo we've got track and gymnastics and swimming and equestrian that want to restrict the world athletic powers from inundating their sport's championships, and then tennis and golf, and virtually every other first-, second- or third-tier sport allowing ALL the best to show up. Which group is having more success? I submit the latter.
The only way track can achieve similar status is for a significant portion of the atheltes to note that they're forming their own union and going by their own rules. And the chances of that...
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I am not sure that people are interested in a 110mH final with 7 Americans and one Cuban. Even Americans would be bored stiff with such an event. The WC and the OG are about competing with other nations above all else. If you want to watch 7 Americans competing you can do so by watching the USATFC. Here I am talking mainly about casual T&F fans not hardcore fans who log onto this website daily.
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I guess I'll have to go to Counselling, as I do not qualify as one of Marlow's "real fans". :wink:
I have absolutely zero interest in how the 6th from any Nation in any Event, would finish at the Worlds. Just as I have zero interest in who will be the 5th Kenyan in the steeplechase in Zurich or Brussels or wherever. Makes me yawn just thinking about it, and I can only imagine what it must be like for those who are not really into our sport in the first place (which is almost everybody, of course).
Top 3 per Country is just fine. And I even think the bye system sucked some of the energy out of the US Trials. Keep the Trials in each Country meaningful and exciting, and enjoy watching the best 3 from each Country do battle at the Worlds --- that works for me...
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Originally posted by rasbTop 3 per Country is just fine. And I even think the bye system sucked some of the energy out of the US Trials. Keep the Trials in each Country meaningful and exciting, and enjoy watching the best 3 from each Country do battle at the Worlds --- that works for me...
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Originally posted by donley2You hit a certain mark (top 15 or 20 in the world lets say) and you are in the meet.
This has the added advantage that at the end of the season athletes will be battling for that top ten position.
It also means that those who get the wild card can prepare for world championships without the worry of having to come back from injury too soon, or not be at the whims of their countries selection procedure.
In such a scenario the country of origin should have no relevance. Thus, those in top ten do not count against each countries alloted entries and politics can not deprive the worlds of a star athlete (Wilson Kipketer and Lagat come to mind).
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Originally posted by sprintbloxAnother alternative is to have a super-A standard, and allow anybody who meets that standard to be exempt from the per-country limits.
This means you get more African distance runners and more American hurdlers and 200 guys.
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I have one name for you that want 10 kenyans in the finals. Noureddine Morceli, anyone remember what happened to him in 1992? I think it would be a lot worse in the distance event which are dominated by one country. And didn't Khalid Skah have a similar issue in X-C? Do we really want a tour de France type race with domestic for the elite level of our sport? :roll:
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Originally posted by rasbI have absolutely zero interest in how the 6th from any Nation in any Event, would finish at the Worlds.
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