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  • U.S. vs Russia in w4x4 [split]

    why do you people think russia is gonna win the 4x4? considering the depth of the US women, i'd think they'd be the favorites.

  • #2
    [quote="TrackDaddy"]The US might spot the Russians 5-7 meters going into anchor just like they did in Beijing.
    And just like in Beijing...Sanya WILL RUN DOWN WHOEVER IS IN FRONT OF HER WHEN SHE GETS THE STICK./quote]
    I agree. U.S. could lead off with a 51, then Felix could run another 48, Demus could duplicate her 49.38 at 2006 World Cup and Richards could finish with a 48.62 for an even 3:17.
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    • #3
      The way I see it, USA is putting everything on Richards shoulders again. Can she match last year's relay effort after her early-season successes this year, including times she has never run at previously in her career? I don't think she'll hold up 100%, so is 85-90% enough to hold off Kapachinskaya, for example?

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      • #4
        Very hard to make predictions before the important gap between a lot of national championships/trials and World Champs themselves, this is the time where athletes will establish themselves as favourites with good form on the circuit.

        I think Sally McLellan will have Damu Cherry's measure in Berlin and perhaps that of Michelle Perry, who's looked solid, but not in 2005-2007 form yet. Harper looks great this year, always impressive to prove you're not a one hit wonder.

        VCB's next 200m will say a lot. If she can get down to 22.1 before the World Champs I think we could be on for a repeat of Beijing, though I don't think she will hit 21.7 this season.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by EPelle
          The way I see it, USA is putting everything on Richards shoulders again. Can she match last year's relay effort after her early-season successes this year, including times she has never run at previously in her career? I don't think she'll hold up 100%, so is 85-90% enough to hold off Kapachinskaya, for example?
          Well, the Richards of this season is thus far much stronger than the Richards of last season.

          My main criticism of the Russian quartet last year was putting Kapachinskaya on last leg. At the time I thought Guschina should have been on last leg and Kapachinskaya on first. In hindsight, which of course is a wonderful thing, I still stand by that. I just don't Kapachinskaua is a particularly good relay runner, she is generally too tentative, but in Beijing she was the opposite and went out too fast. She has most experience on the 3rd leg, but in Edmonton, Munich and Paris she ran poorly on each. Ofcourse, that was pre ban Kapa' and she is better now, but she eneds to pace herself better. The Russian champs will show who is in form this season, but if the four strongest are Krivoshapka, Guschina, Kapachinskaya and Litvinova, then again I just wouldnt want Kapachinskaya on last leg.

          The problem Russia are always going to face is Felix on the 2nd leg. What do they do, do they try and blast the first leg, get a lead then hope their 2nd runner keeps that lead or stays in touch or do they just accept the US will be leading after leg 2 and try and chase down in legs 3 and 4? Either way they have their work cut out and there is no 'easy' leg, the athlete on leg 3 can't be pussy footing around the track, they have to give it their all.

          Alas, I've gone off topic.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Stephen
            Russia over USA in the 4x4 is interesting. They have the ability and can get 4 women running sub 50, but with Richards and Felix in the team, I think teh US will prevail, unless Russia make some savvy tactical decisions, which they never seem to do.
            It's too early to know what the Russian 400 specialists are capable of. They showed some inklings of good form, but I suspect we won't see them give their all until the national champs (which are still more than 2 weeks away).
            Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Powell
              It's too early to know what the Russian 400 specialists are capable of. They showed some inklings of good form, but I suspect we won't see them give their all until the national champs (which are still more than 2 weeks away).
              True. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Krivoshapka run a time between 49.8 - 50.1, with four or five other women under 51 secs. But is that enough to beat the USA? You don't need me to tell you that the last time Russia beat the USA in a 4x4 was in Edmonton 2001 and that was because the USA dropped the baton. Their last 'proper' win was Seville 1999. Yes they came close in Paris 03 and Beijing, but no cigar. 2005 was the year they would likely have beaten the USA fair and square, but the USA got DQ'ed in the heats!
              With Richards in supreme form this season, and assuming we see another grand leg from Felix, Russia will really need to produce something special to beat the USA again.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by EPelle
                The way I see it, USA is putting everything on Richards shoulders again. Can she match last year's relay effort after her early-season successes this year, including times she has never run at previously in her career? I don't think she'll hold up 100%, so is 85-90% enough to hold off Kapachinskaya, for example?
                Well EP everything isnt on Richards' shoulders.

                Have you forgotten about Allyson Felix? :shock:

                And why do you say The Great Sanya will only have 85-90% left?

                She's been anchoring the US since 2003 and to my knowledge during that span the US has NEVER lost.

                Add a 48 flat from Fantastic Felix and you see why I believe we'll win Gold.

                Oh and this is for the doubters...I can see Debbie Dunn and Hastings on the relay with Dunn running lead off.

                Hastings WILL split 49.x on 3rd (like she did in the semi in Beijing)....

                Watch.
                The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Stephen
                  Originally posted by Powell
                  It's too early to know what the Russian 400 specialists are capable of. They showed some inklings of good form, but I suspect we won't see them give their all until the national champs (which are still more than 2 weeks away).
                  True. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Krivoshapka run a time between 49.8 - 50.1, with four or five other women under 51 secs. But is that enough to beat the USA? You don't need me to tell you that the last time Russia beat the USA in a 4x4 was in Edmonton 2001 and that was because the USA dropped the baton. Their last 'proper' win was Seville 1999. Yes they came close in Paris 03 and Beijing, but no cigar. 2005 was the year they would likely have beaten the USA fair and square, but the USA got DQ'ed in the heats!
                  With Richards in supreme form this season, and assuming we see another grand leg from Felix, Russia will really need to produce something special to beat the USA again.
                  I'm just saying.

                  And you can throw those open times out the window.

                  Did somebody say...

                  "Stick!"
                  The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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                  • #10
                    Yes, Dunn has showed soem very good form, going 50.7 now on 2 occasions!

                    That's quite a pleasant surprise as we always need someone to step up and she looks to be filling that void. Hastings luck ran just short in the US final and it'll be interesting to see how Beard fares in her preparation to the WC's.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TrackDaddy
                      Oh and this is for the doubters...I can see Debbie Dunn and Hastings on the relay with Dunn running lead off.
                      Would you pick either one of them over Lashinda Demus?
                      "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
                      by Thomas Henry Huxley

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by knite
                        Yes, Dunn has showed soem very good form, going 50.7 now on 2 occasions!

                        That's quite a pleasant surprise as we always need someone to step up and she looks to be filling that void. Hastings luck ran just short in the US final and it'll be interesting to see how Beard fares in her preparation to the WC's.
                        I think Beard will run an early round but I'd be surprised if she was asked to compete in the final.

                        The way the team looks now Hastings is one of the veterans. And if she's healthy and performs well between here and Berlin, I think she'll be given the stick over Beard.
                        The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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                        • #13
                          Looks as if the U.S. will have somewhat abundant picks to choose from to make the Berlin line-ups interesting irregardless of what the Russians do.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pego
                            Originally posted by TrackDaddy
                            Oh and this is for the doubters...I can see Debbie Dunn and Hastings on the relay with Dunn running lead off.
                            Would you pick either one of them over Lashinda Demus?
                            No, I wouldnt.

                            But Demus hasnt been used in the past even though many have wondered out loud why?

                            I dont think she'll be asked this year either.

                            BTW...Ross Williams and Sheens Tosta were also good relayist in college at SoCar and UCLA respectively.
                            The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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                            • #15
                              I'll go on the limb to predict LD to win the WC under 53.
                              "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
                              by Thomas Henry Huxley

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