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  • a sweep for U.S. men in 400H? [split]

    The US men will sweep the 400h and may even take the top 4 spots.

    Who is gonna break that sweep up? Isa??? Unless he is ready run sub 47.6 he probably won't medal.

  • #2
    Originally posted by guruof track
    The US men will sweep the 400h and may even take the top 4 spots.

    Who is gonna break that sweep up? Isa??? Unless he is ready run sub 47.6 he probably won't medal.
    I love our 400H crew, but that's a big statement. Phillips and Culson could easily win medals.

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    • #3
      Clement PR 47.24
      Taylor PR 47.25
      Batman PR 47.30

      Is my statement really that bold considering ALL have major championship gold? I don't think so.

      If they are all in shape, it really shouldn't be close for the top 3 spots.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by guruof track
        Clement PR 47.24
        Taylor PR 47.25
        Batman PR 47.30

        Is my statement really that bold considering ALL have major championship gold? I don't think so.

        If they are all in shape, it really shouldn't be close for the top 3 spots.
        Clement's 47.24 was 4 years ago.
        Taylor has a 48.30 this year but has looked anything but invincible.
        Jackson, again a 2005 PR, and apart from his good run at Eugene, not much indication of low-47 shape.

        Phillips could take it all, and van Zyl is always dangerous, too

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        • #5
          Originally posted by gm
          Originally posted by guruof track
          Clement PR 47.24
          Taylor PR 47.25
          Batman PR 47.30

          Is my statement really that bold considering ALL have major championship gold? I don't think so.

          If they are all in shape, it really shouldn't be close for the top 3 spots.
          Clement's 47.24 was 4 years ago.
          Taylor has a 48.30 this year but has looked anything but invincible.
          Jackson, again a 2005 PR, and apart from his good run at Eugene, not much indication of low-47 shape.

          Phillips could take it all, and van Zyl is always dangerous, too
          Clement beat him less than 2 days ago, Taylor didn't look good most of last season with the exception of 2 or 3 races.

          Smart moneys goes with hurdlers who han run 48.2 EVERY round. I highly doubt Isa is at that level yet. And I'm a big fan of his, especially since he is a bayou bengal.

          With rounds the fastest Isa has gon is 48.1. That won't cut it at WCs.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by guruof track
            Smart moneys goes with hurdlers who han run 48.2 EVERY round.
            Why would they run 48,2 every round? That'd be a waste of energy for the final. No medalist this decade in the seven global championships contested has run 48,2 in the opening round. Furthermore, 29% of the medalists have not run faster than 48,35 in the semi-finals, either; this includes both the 2000 and 2001 finals where the six spots awarded medals - all achieved with sub-48,00 times -- were brought to the final by three over 48,38 in the semis.

            With rounds the fastest Isa has gon is 48.1. That won't cut it at WCs.
            It won't? I'd look below, again, at the semi-finalst times by those who have medaled at global championships this decade. Moreover, four of the seven bronze medalists ran 48,1 or slower in winning those awards, with a fifth at 48,06.

            2008 Medalists:
            Final, Semi, Heat

            1) 47,25 | 47,94 - 48,67
            2) 47,98 | 48,27 - 49,42
            3) 48,06 | 48,02 - 49,20

            2007 Medalists:
            Final, Semi, Heat

            1) 47,61 | 48,60 - 49,07
            2) 48,01 | 48,35 - 48,70
            3) 48,12 | 48,18 - 49,66

            2005 Medalists:
            Final, Semi, Heat

            1) 47,30 | 48,19 - 49,34
            2) 47,43 | 47,78 - 49,05
            3) 48,10 | 48,46 - 49,17

            2004 Medalists:
            Final, Semi, Heat

            1) 47,63 | 47,93 - 48,51
            2) 48,11 | 48,00 - 48,35
            3) 48,26 | 48,24 - 48,88

            2003 Medalists:
            Final, Semi, Heat

            1) 47,25 | 48,16 - 48,43
            2) 48,18 | 48,24 - 48,53
            3) 48,24 | 48,17 - 48,76

            2001 Medalists:
            Final, Semi, Heat

            1) 47,49 | 48,07 - 48,64
            2) 47,54 | 48,49 - 49,29
            3) 47,89 | 48,10 - 49,45

            2000 Medalists:
            Final, Semi, Heat

            1) 47,50 | 48,49 - 49,48
            2) 47,53 | 48,14 - 49,28
            3) 47,81 | 48,38 - 49,25

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            • #7
              Originally posted by guruof track
              Clement PR 47.24
              Taylor PR 47.25
              Batman PR 47.30

              Is my statement really that bold considering ALL have major championship gold? I don't think so.

              If they are all in shape, it really shouldn't be close for the top 3 spots.
              When is the last time Batman went sub 48s. Seems like eons ago.

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              • #8
                July 14, 2006.

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                • #9
                  There's lotsa sub-48s among this group, but some of these marks are getting a little long in the tooth

                  47.24 Kerron Clement 2005
                  47.25 Angelo Taylor 2008
                  47.30 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                  47.39 Kerron Clement 2006
                  47.48 Bershawn Jackson 2006
                  47.50 Angelo Taylor 2000
                  47.56 Kerron Clement 2005
                  47.60 Bershawn Jackson 2006
                  47.61 Kerron Clement 2007
                  47.62 Angelo Taylor 2000
                  47.62 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                  47.77 Bershawn Jackson 2006
                  47.79 Kerron Clement 2008
                  47.80 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                  47.86 Bershawn Jackson 2004
                  47.86 Bershawn Jackson 2006
                  47.90 Angelo Taylor 1998
                  47.90 Angelo Taylor 2000
                  47.91 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                  47.92 Angelo Taylor 1998
                  47.92 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                  47.94 Angelo Taylor 2008
                  47.95 Angelo Taylor 2001
                  47.97 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                  47.98 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                  47.98 Kerron Clement 2008

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                  • #10
                    Phillips has been in very good form this season and Felix Sanchez is coming back too with some better results. There's also the likes of McFarlane, Culson, Van Zyl etc.

                    Jackson and Clement are erratic too...
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Marlow
                      There's lotsa sub-48s among this group, but some of these marks are getting a little long in the tooth

                      47.24 Kerron Clement 2005
                      47.25 Angelo Taylor 2008
                      47.30 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                      47.39 Kerron Clement 2006
                      47.48 Bershawn Jackson 2006
                      47.50 Angelo Taylor 2000
                      47.56 Kerron Clement 2005
                      47.60 Bershawn Jackson 2006
                      47.61 Kerron Clement 2007
                      47.62 Angelo Taylor 2000
                      47.62 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                      47.77 Bershawn Jackson 2006
                      47.79 Kerron Clement 2008
                      47.80 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                      47.86 Bershawn Jackson 2004
                      47.86 Bershawn Jackson 2006
                      47.90 Angelo Taylor 1998
                      47.90 Angelo Taylor 2000
                      47.91 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                      47.92 Angelo Taylor 1998
                      47.92 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                      47.94 Angelo Taylor 2008
                      47.95 Angelo Taylor 2001
                      47.97 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                      47.98 Bershawn Jackson 2005
                      47.98 Kerron Clement 2008
                      Probably because that's a list of the few times when a trio of notorious no-rhythm guys came close to maximizing step pattern.

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                      • #12
                        Those times are so ooold.. I can't believe they were used as support for this sweep :lol:

                        There shall be no sweep.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by gh
                          Probably because that's a list of the few times when a trio of notorious no-rhythm guys came close to maximizing step pattern.
                          I note a hint of sarcasm [I hope]! You don't run that many sub-48s without enormous talent AND execution.

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                          • #14
                            Two of the 3 (Taylor/Clement) ran 47 multiple times just last season.

                            What's old about that?
                            The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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                            • #15
                              Which one of those guys is Isa gonna beat???

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