Clark and Willard in Paris 800m, Vessey and Rowbury too?

[mid distance fan]

Start list shows Clark and Willard but heard Vessey and Rowbury will be competing in 800m as well. Any truth to that?

[knite]

Re: Clark and Willard in Paris 800m, Vessey and Rowbury too?

Start list shows Clark and Willard but heard Vessey and Rowbury will be competing in 800m as well. Any truth to that?

When is Rowbury lining up in the 1500??

[James Fields]

Paris start list, W800m

"Start list shows Clark and Willard but heard Vessey and Rowbury will be competing in 800m as well. Any truth to that?"

http://www.meetingareva.com/resultats/?language=uk

Stade de France ---- Friday, 17 July 2009
Women's 800m Run with season bests
CLARK Hazel ---------------------- 02.00.09
WILLARD Anna ------------------- 01.59.29
VESSEY Maggie ------------------- 02.00.13
TSYGANOVA Natalya ------------- 02.03.26
ROWBURY Shannon USA -------- 02.01.03
ROSTKOWSKA Anna -------------- 02.00.57
OKORO Marilyn -------------------- 02.00.04
KLOCOVA Lucia -------------------- 02.00.56
GUEGAN Elodie -------------------- 01.59.79
CUSMA PICCIONE Elisa ---------- 01.59.53
ZBROZHEK Oksana --------------- 02.01.24

Total runners: 11

[26mi235]

Not necessarily a crew that will help Vessey go below 2.

[3]

Not necessarily a crew that will help Vessey go below 2.

9 of the competitors have career bests below 2 minutes. Ms. Rowbury and Ms. Vessey are the only two who haven't been able to negotiate speeds at that pace.

[26mi235]

Not necessarily a crew that will help Vessey go below 2.

9 of the competitors have career bests below 2 minutes. Ms. Rowbury and Ms. Vessey are the only two who haven't been able to negotiate speeds at that pace.

What does speeds at pace mean? Vessey, of course, has to two very big wins this season and is as big a surprise as anyone.

We are back to where breaking 1:59 is hard and even 2:00 is a barrier, probably the toughest A standard this year.

[bhall]

If Vessey continues her late charge tactics her fate is in the hands of the pacemakers and the rest of the field no matter who is in the race.

[3]

I believe your point was -- correct me if this was mistaken --- that this 11 woman lineup isn't necessarily a crew that will help Vessey go below 2.

Every athlete with the exception of Ms. Vessey and Ms. Rowbury have been able to successfully accomplish running two laps under 60s each which is something that neither of the two two remaining Americans have yet been able to do. The lineup is more than capable of running under 2 minutes, because 82% of them already have in their careers (including some with noteworthy times well below that).

[knite]

I think he was stating that by her race tactics being what they are, she will not go sub 2:00 with the women in this field as they have managed their race pattern to give them the ability to drop below that mark of 2:00. Vessey, however, continues to wait too late in using her kick and it relegates her to finishing just over the 2:00.0 mark. She has the goods, as evidenced by that wicked kick coming from no man's land to finish in the top 5 or lower of her races.

Basically, its all up to her in order to at least change her race pattern a little to achieve the standard.

[3]

your analysis is accurate. The differentiation between yours and the previous poster's is that theirs seems to indicate that the field's current fitness isn't going to be viable for Vessey to run under 2 minutes.

[Marlow]

Hazel Clark is pretty adept at setting paces. They'll need 58-ish to break 2:00 and she's not afraid of doing that. With a SB of 2:00.09, and knowing she doesn't have the best kick, she'll be wanting to push that first lap in order to get ready for Berlin, doncha think?

[26mi235]

Only two in the field have run under 2 this year (if we had a 1:54 runner from last year would you be saying that is her potential for this race?), and those two have just barely done so. If Vessey hangs behind the pack a bunch and the bunch does not go much below 60/90, it will be difficult to come from far back and go under 2:00.

However, she may not have more confidence and have learned from he error of staying way too far back at USATF, so I am not counting her out completely. In fact, I think she is may be the most likely one in the race to win, having won two big-league races this year (even if they were not filled to the brim with athletes in shape THIS year).

[Marlow]

If Vessey hangs behind the pack a bunch and the bunch does not go much below 60/90, it will be difficult to come from far back and go under 2:00.

She subscribes to the Borza school of fame and glory. Even if she doesn't win, her furious finishes look awesome and get people to talk about her, invest some emotional energy into her, and ultimately get locked into a love/hate relationship, where they always think THIS is the race where she'll stay close enough to win gloriously, only to have their hopes dashed once again by a kick that comes tantalizingly close, but just falls short! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[3]

poster "26mi235", I believe your first argument was that this field wasn't exactly capable of bringing Ms. Vessey that coveted 2 minute race. Your secondary point was that if Ms. Vessey relegates herself to donkey chasing, she'll have a difficult time making a run at the barrier separating her from the world championships. The field is capable of running under 2 minutes, though whether or not some or most of them run under it remains to be seen; if you've broken 2 minutes, do you not have the capability of doing it again?

Ms. Vessey, however, may have trouble if she runs to what has become her signature wait and move at the last minute if the field doesn't reach its capability. The crew itself however is one which can help her break 2 minutes.

[26mi235]

Ms. Vessey, however, may have trouble if she runs to what has become her signature wait and move at the last minute if the field doesn't reach its capability. The crew itself however is one which can help her break 2 minutes.

I think it would be easier if instead of SBs of 2 1:59s, some 2:00s and 2:01/2:02s, these numbers were at least a second faster. Of course, if Vessey's number were a little faster she would have a 1:59.

What I do not know about these SBs is how many of them were garnered winning or almost winning races [making them 'better quality'] and how many were pulled along [a bit lesser quality]. Of course, since there have been few fast races this year, maybe many of these 1:59/2:00 SBs are high-quality, implying that the field is a bit better than the list of SBs would make it appear.