Iam so scared!!! of theats

[Marlow]

Half of the Jamaican born sprinters cheated as well as half of the American born ones. Hardly an even comparison, however.

Why, just because there's more Americans? X% of all Oly and world medalists did PEDs. X = a number consistent from the USA to JAM. So Jam's medals are proportionately just as dirty as Ami's are. During the 80 and 90s, X>50, by the way.

[3]

Half of the Jamaican born sprinters cheated as well as half of the American born ones. Hardly an even comparison, however.

[imaginative]

And interestingly, the quota of cheaters to non-cheaters
is the same for both countries. (Just in case someone
intended to throw the first stone.)

[dakota]

1988 - Ben Johnson - born in Jamaica
1992 - Linford Christie - born in Jamaica
1996 - Donovan Bailey - born in Jamaica
2000 - Maurice Greene - born in the USA
2004 - Justin Gatlin - born in the USA
2008 - Usain Bolt - born in Jamaica

The six men listed above crossed the line first in the last six Olympic men's 100m finals. Four were born in Jamaica (population ~ 3 million) and two were born in the United States (~ 300 million)

[imaginative]

My suggestion: If someone feels that Carl or Carol has said something
inappropiate, factually incorrect, or unfair, then:

1. State what they said explicitly (i.e. not ``Lewis is mean!'',
but ``Lewis claimed that Bolt was/has/will ... Cf.
http://www.YYY.com/lewisInterview.html.'')

2. Explain what your opinion on the subject ist.
(Again, not ``Lewis is mean!'', but a statement about Bolt contrasted with
the statement made by Lewis.)

3. Give some reasonably verifiable facts and logical arguments to support
your position.

Note that even if Lewis has said something truly outrageous
(_hypothetically_, ``Bolt is more doped up than Ben was.'') it is far from
certain that all of us have heard of it. Nor can you count on us having
read the various current sprint threads in detail---the noise to information
ratio is not what it could be, at the moment.

[3]

CARL LEWIS SUCKS!! BIGTIME!!

Relative to Mr. Bolt, Mr. Lewis has no chance of winning a mano y mano sprint 100m long under any conditions. Nevertheless, if Mr. Lewis were to walk the same distance from start to finish, he'd have arrived minutes or imaginably hours before a turtle.

Doesn't the reptile suck? bigger time??

[BisonHurdler]

CARL LEWIS SUCKS!! BIGTIME!!

Thanks for checking in.

[RamGoat]

CARL LEWIS SUCKS!! BIGTIME!!

[gh]

Reminds me of my kids' current favorite joke: Why couldn't the little boy get in to see the pirate movie?

Because it was rated "R"! (Arrgghh!)

20 years ago that was, "did you hear about the new pirate-porno flick? It's rated rrrrr"

[proofs in the pudd'in]

There is no point is mocking this gentleman's writing. I'm not trying to imply that I am above it, but it strikes me as cruel...

If it makes him feel better - I suck at spelling. Speking of which I think they shood modify the Inglish languag. Who ar 'they' I don't noh? Mabe a gras roots effort with some hardkor promoshunal skilz wood werk.

[skiboo]

It's not really fair to imply that Jamaicans have suddenly started running well.
Remember, Ottey and Grace Jackson used to come 2nd and 3rd alongside Flo Jo (RIP).
I seem to also remember Sandie Richards, Deon Hemmings, Juliet Cuthbert, Herb McKinley...
Then there are athletes of Jamaican ancestry that represented other countries such as Inger Miller, Donovan Bailey, Linford Christie and the present-day Sanya Richards.

So yeah, it's uncanny, but Jamaica as a long history of producing strong athletes and it isn't a recent phenomenon.
.

I was taking the quoted poster literally when he said "the fastest people on earth", and you are entirely correct in pointing out that Jamaica has a rich tradition of top level sprinters which hardly just materialized in the last several years. If anyone lost a deserved no. 1 and Olympic gold, IMHO, it was Grace Jackson.

[chriswitt]

Re: Iam so scared!!! of theats

He also need to check his altheltic history Jamaica the fastest people on earth many times (from 1948 to Now ).

With all due respect to Jamaica, that's quite the overstatement. "Many" times? Hardly. How many times did a Jamaican rank no. 1 in a sprint event between 1948 and 2000? Off hand I think of Herb McKenley, Don Quarrie, and Merlene Ottey, feel free to list the "many" others.

D.Johnson *world record holder in 63
Miller -Ingred father
Grace Jackson(who in 88 said after the race, her medal was clean)
Julith Cuthbert

some born in Jamaica but rep other countries
Ben Johnson
Linval Christe
Donovan Baliey

So let see we had

in the 40-50 Herb McKenley
60-70 Don Quarrie and D Johnson
from 1980 -- 2000
so many went to US schools and never return the same
R Mighty -- Ato boldon was not in his class
K Johnson
England
Nicole Mitchell who destroyed marion jones and miller as Jr

and i saw Mighty and bolt and mightly still faster then Bolt many Jamaican can talk about that

[poster]

It's not really fair to imply that Jamaicans have suddenly started running well.
Remember, Ottey and Grace Jackson used to come 2nd and 3rd alongside Flo Jo (RIP).
I seem to also remember Sandie Richards, Deon Hemmings, Juliet Cuthbert, Herb McKinley...
Then there are athletes of Jamaican ancestry that represented other countries such as Inger Miller, Donovan Bailey, Linford Christie and the present-day Sanya Richards.

So yeah, it's uncanny, but Jamaica as a long history of producing strong athletes and it isn't a recent phenomenon.
Our runners not infrequently lost to stronger Americans (and the loser isn't often remembered) but if you look back historically you'll find we were there decades back.

Recently we have been winning more than losing so visibility has increased.
A few things might have happened: local tertiary/professional level training has improved and for a while it was no longer as easy for Jamaicans to move to England resulting in more talent staying home.
Bolt and Powell represent real strides as male sprinters representing Jamaica but the women do not yet outclass Merlene Ottey at her best; the Americans are slower right now.

Nonetheless, the complaining Carl Lewis and his rather insipid sister always strike me as lacking in class and graciousness.
The latter's 'commentating' comes off more as thinly veiled cheer-leading rather than useful insight into what is happening track-side and the former was always a sore loser.

I'm with those who say quality sprinting is good for the sport and the current crop of American sprinters are rather agreeable souls (Felix, Gay etc).
I really prefer to minimize the statements of historic achievers who raise controversies not raised by athletes on the track TODAY.

[pickle47]

Reminds me of my kids' current favorite joke: Why couldn't the little boy get in to see the pirate movie?

Because it was rated "R"! (Arrgghh!)

[skiboo]

Re: Iam so scared!!! of theats

He also need to check his altheltic history Jamaica the fastest people on earth many times (from 1948 to Now ).

With all due respect to Jamaica, that's quite the overstatement. "Many" times? Hardly. How many times did a Jamaican rank no. 1 in a sprint event between 1948 and 2000? Off hand I think of Herb McKenley, Don Quarrie, and Merlene Ottey, feel free to list the "many" others.