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  • scratchman
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    [quote=track_expert][quote=scratchman]
    Originally posted by "track_expert":3or9ri6b
    Originally posted by scratchman
    Originally posted by "track_expert":3or9ri6b
    Originally posted by scratchman
    Somebody said Powell would catch whoever's in front of him.
    :shock: :roll:
    As long as Powell can see his opponent, that opponent has a chance to win.
    He aint catching Gay or Doc Patton...or Rodgers, if theyre out like '07.
    It works by the splits and whats expected, In 07/08 powell was on race 17 in the 4x1 finals, 18th's been the magic number for him and this year he'll reach race 20, definitely in his maximum peak zone. If he splits a 8.6x final leg, and Patton is 1 meter infront and splits a 8.9x, is powell not going to catch him? Dont forget Bolt is the fastest bend runner...
    No!
    Im not comfortable giving Bolt "the fastest" bend. I'd say he and Gay are pretty even. I wouldnt give either an edge on the other. And as for Powell, what was his split in the 07 World's?
    Well Bolt did have the fastest bend split ever in the 4x1 last year, can you really argue with that? No one says there's a world of difference between them, but in a sport where hundreths of a second mean something, it applies here.

    He split a high 8.7x and last year split a 8.72 i believe.
    He made up what looked like 2/3 meters, by quick visual looks anyway.
    He may have had the fastest bend split becuz Tyson didnt run.
    And if Powell hit 8.7 high in 07 AND COULDNT PASS DIXON, how can you be certain he'll catch Patton/Rodgers?[/quote:3or9ri6b]

    I dont see what your arguement is here, that Gay is a better bend runner than Bolt? What about Osaka's bend vs. Biejing's bend? We're talking about the fastest EVER recorded split, not just one championship.

    Because the gap was too big!! Powell would need to split 8.5x to catch Dixon!![/quote:3or9ri6b]
    Right!
    And since Rodgers and Patton both are faster than Dixon was, he'd STILL need to. And as for Gay and the bend, Tyson was even faster in 08 than 07(just like Bolt), so you still dont know if Gay wasnt the better bend runner.

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  • 79.
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    Re: US men's 4x100

    Originally posted by Rustyjaguar
    Thanks for update on X . Unfortunate , X has so much potential. I would go Crawford, Patton, Tyson, and Rogers in that order. If Walter is running wel then you put him in for Crawford or Rogers. What if Wallace runs some good times in the deuce in Europe. Could see a team of Dix, Wallace, Gay, and Patton too. I would rather have Ivory williams than Padgett( remids me of Leonard Scott too much, ties up really bad., ) and Rae Edwards.
    I also think Ivory WILLIAMS is among the 4 most consistent US sprinters
    today; considering the shape of the moment, he should make the team.

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  • scratchman
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    Originally posted by knite
    Rae Edwards is a beast on the relay. His speed comes out at the end so I am quite sure he is capable, as long as his fitness is there.

    Tyson, Patton and Rodgers have earned their spot, the 4th leg is the question. Again, is Dix ix healthy and training going well, then he'd have to be considered.

    Wally, while always a good relay runner, has lost his advantage with Gay as they no longer train together, nor has performed well enough to get the nod over others. Crawford is another option who's shown great curve ability. Though Not sure how he would be on leadoff. Either way, I am sure he could run better that 7 other teams in that final on leadoff.
    Exactly.
    And thats all he would need to do.
    Same as Walter Dix. I keep going back to Penn. If we can get somebody to do what Dix did, we have a chance. We absolutely MUST choose the right guys for 1 & 2, or its game over for us. Yohan will run a very strong 2nd. We need a top end terror to offset that. You know what? If Dix were to "somehow" by blessing get to where he was a year ago, he'd be my guy for 2nd actually, because Crawford would scorch 1st leg. He'd be better than Frater on the curve. But Dix is in the same boat as Spearmon, I'm afraid. Too many "ifs". What needs to happen is Dix needs to have his butt in relay camp. The US needs to be running some A and B team 4X1's at as many meets as they can before Berlin to see who can go where. Then we'll know more about who'll be ready after the 100 & 200 is over and the relay rounds start.
    ....We had better start worrying.

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  • knite
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    Rae Edwards is a beast on the relay. His speed comes out at the end so I am quite sure he is capable, as long as his fitness is there.

    Tyson, Patton and Rodgers have earned their spot, the 4th leg is the question. Again, is Dix ix healthy and training going well, then he'd have to be considered.

    Wally, while always a good relay runner, has lost his advantage with Gay as they no longer train together, nor has performed well enough to get the nod over others. Crawford is another option who's shown great curve ability. Though Not sure how he would be on leadoff. Either way, I am sure he could run better that 7 other teams in that final on leadoff.

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  • Rustyjaguar
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    US men's 4x100

    Thanks for update on X . Unfortunate , X has so much potential. I would go Crawford, Patton, Tyson, and Rogers in that order. If Walter is running wel then you put him in for Crawford or Rogers. What if Wallace runs some good times in the deuce in Europe. Could see a team of Dix, Wallace, Gay, and Patton too. I would rather have Ivory williams than Padgett( remids me of Leonard Scott too much, ties up really bad., ) and Rae Edwards.

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  • Speedfirst
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    Re: US men's 4x100

    Originally posted by Rustyjaguar
    Hey i started this thread. It was about the men's 4x100 for the US, BUT IT has been taken over about the Jamaican team. Get your own thread. By the way Blake will be fine. Your weak link is Frater. US should be ahead after the first leg. Would you rather have 100 meter runners totally or use 2 or more 200 meter guys on the team. I saw somebody say something about that the other day. Names like Wallace Spearmon, Walter Dix, even X.man Carter if he runs some fast 200's in Europe would be better than Rae Edwards, Leroy Dixon , and Travis Padgett. Who would you like to see run if al the guys are in top form.
    X-Man done for this season, D.O. gave the update on this. I could see Wally as an option, Crawford.

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  • Rustyjaguar
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    US men's 4x100

    Hey i started this thread. It was about the men's 4x100 for the US, BUT IT has been taken over about the Jamaican team. Get your own thread. By the way Blake will be fine. Your weak link is Frater. US should be ahead after the first leg. Would you rather have 100 meter runners totally or use 2 or more 200 meter guys on the team. I saw somebody say something about that the other day. Names like Wallace Spearmon, Walter Dix, even X.man Carter if he runs some fast 200's in Europe would be better than Rae Edwards, Leroy Dixon , and Travis Padgett. Who would you like to see run if al the guys are in top form.

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  • Paul Henry
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    ...or you can ignore all I just said and wait to see Racers Track club line up at London next week in the 400 relay.
    ....."a child shall lead them"

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  • Paul Henry
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    Originally posted by Bruce Kritzler
    I hope for the USA's sake, that Jamaica puts the rookie, Blake, on the relay. Will be interesting to see how he handles the pressure?
    I can assure you that the problem with Blake if any would be ability to go through the rounds.

    I stand certain that Blake has a full unit of relay experience over most other athletes with whom he will be competing. Never doubt the competitive edge acquired from the Jamaican high school system (see VCB's various quotes to secret to her competitive edge).
    You can youtube Blake at Penns 2006&2007 and you will see what I mean. If anything you guys should be more worried about Blake being included rather than not.

    Further, if not worried about Asafa (who count for count has less relays than Blake) then Blake should be cool.

    Training with the world's fastest and hypest athlete has to instill a certain level of competence and confidence in a guy.

    Further, check the world leading relay times this year and see who is on one of those teams!!

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  • Speedfirst
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    [quote=track_expert]
    Originally posted by Speedfirst
    Originally posted by Taliban
    Originally posted by "Bruce Kritzler":1w708k6x
    I hope for the USA's sake, that Jamaica puts the rookie, Blake, on the relay. Will be interesting to see how he handles the pressure?
    What pressure? He performs well everytime he's out.
    This will be his first time on a stage of this magnitude, the talk of running sub 37, trying to defeat the defending champs. The U.S., defending champs in this one :wink:
    When has being the defending champion ever really meant anything?[/quote:1w708k6x]

    In the scheme of things with respect to feeling pressure, i gave a list of potiental reasons and that was one of them. You may not feel it's a valid reason no problem, however it won't be you on the track as an inexperienced runner, who's know what he'll be thinking.

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  • Speedfirst
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    [quote="EZSum"]Ah, Speed, you know if you were Jamaican coach you'd pick him. Be honest now. "God" is watching. :lol:[/quote

    Sure I would in a heart beat, doesn't change him being inexperienced, he would simply be my runner with the inexperience.

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  • knite
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    Let's face it, after last yr's fiasco, team JA are the odds on fav's! However, it's always pressure on every team, especially when u SHOULD have ur main comp in the race! Blake is fast but don't overrate him being dominant to other sprinters as that has yet to be shown. IMO, Gay vs Bolt on 3rd is almost a wash if both have good exchanges, the importance will be on every other leg

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  • EZSum
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    [quote=track_expert]
    Originally posted by Speedfirst
    Originally posted by Taliban
    Originally posted by "Bruce Kritzler":1oukws7c
    I hope for the USA's sake, that Jamaica puts the rookie, Blake, on the relay. Will be interesting to see how he handles the pressure?
    What pressure? He performs well everytime he's out.
    This will be his first time on a stage of this magnitude, the talk of running sub 37, trying to defeat the defending champs. The U.S., defending champs in this one :wink:
    When has being the defending champion ever really meant anything?[/quote:1oukws7c]

    It's handy in sports where there is seeding involved as it means you get an easier ride through rounds.

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  • track_expert
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    Originally posted by Speedfirst
    Originally posted by Taliban
    Originally posted by Bruce Kritzler
    I hope for the USA's sake, that Jamaica puts the rookie, Blake, on the relay. Will be interesting to see how he handles the pressure?
    What pressure? He performs well everytime he's out.
    This will be his first time on a stage of this magnitude, the talk of running sub 37, trying to defeat the defending champs. The U.S., defending champs in this one :wink:
    When has being the defending champion ever really meant anything?

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  • EZSum
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    Ah, Speed, you know if you were Jamaican coach you'd pick him. Be honest now. "God" is watching. :lol:

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