Should Bolt compete with ppl his weight (&height)?

[gh]

Too many same-same conversations. Fortnately, there's an easy way to fix that.

[knite]

So its the same convo as some of the other threads...

I just don't want to be repeating myself for the sake of posting.

Thanks

[Paul Henry]

Actually the post posed the sarcastic situation of Weight and height classes but got hijacked along the way. Most of us seem to have gone with the flow to talk about GOAT preferences. I myself am a fan of Nubians, nice when curried!!

[knite]

Hmmmmm, so this thread is about...? Just asking cuz I'm not sure anymore, and I am trying to decipher between the other threads that are already going?

(not being a smart a$$ either)

[Paul Henry]

My take on the Geatest Of All Time discussion would be to limit the spectacles of achievments to the greatest athletic event of all time. This of course would be the olympics; the throw down of throw downs where McKenley to Owens to Bolt can be best fairly compared.

Now looking at the achievemnets strictly as they appear to me on paper (neglecting any external factors), the logics would have me begrudgingly admit that the GOAT is Carl Lewis.

If we were looking at number of WRs per athlete within their respective careers it seems to be pointing Green's way (need more stats to confirm)?

One thing is for certain...there are more arguments to say that Bolt isn't than to say that he is, but he certainly has that title in sight.

[bluequiet]

I'll contend that this is all moot, as of right now. If Bolt beats Gay at worlds and wins the 100m Dash, then we have to resume this current debate, as at that point I will be convinced.

[Speedfirst]

You didn't read my whole post, and I'm not surprised. No one ever listens to me when I get long winded.

Let me try to quickly sum up my point: if Lebron James, this past season, would have had a 40-15-15 or a 50-10-10 individual season, and won the title, I would have claimed him GOAT, right then and there.

If it's freakish enough, and bends the the understanding of the time/space continuoum, then it doesn't matter if it only happened for one season. It happened, and it happened intentionally, and no one else could have stopped it.

Thus GOAT.

I read your entire post, doesn't change a thing, even if Lebron would have won the title, he ain't no GOAT, not even top 5...but that's beside the point.

BOLT isn't the GOAT, you have ALREADY stated THAT, this is a moot point. :wink:

P.S. I said Roger's season, couldn't touch Nadal', not Wimbledon, which by the way, Nadal won.

[bluequiet]

You didn't read my whole post, and I'm not surprised. No one ever listens to me when I get long winded.

Let me try to quickly sum up my point: if Lebron James, this past season, would have had a 40-15-15 or a 50-10-10 individual season, and won the title, I would have claimed him GOAT, right then and there.

If it's freakish enough, and bends the the understanding of the time/space continuoum, then it doesn't matter if it only happened for one season. It happened, and it happened intentionally, and no one else could have stopped it.

Thus GOAT.

EDIT: Did you watch the 2008 Wimbeldon Final? Ha. Please don't say Roger couldn't "touch" Nadal last year. Not touching someone means they got swept. Roger just missed winning that match. It was awesome to watch, though.

[Speedfirst]

bluequiet...obviously you get my drift, Bolt just like the Nadal's, Lebrons, Harringtons of the world, a season, not a career is what Bolt has, get it.

Just like you think my analogy of Lebron is absurd.....well that applies to Bolt being considered the GOAT right now, he isn't, his resume too short, just like King Lebron, just like Nadal, just like Harrington.

Bolt is on the path to being the GOAT, but not there yet, he still has some work to do on the track. Now for all those who simply want to talk him to that status, well you know the old saying..........."talk is cheap"

P.S. Nadal's 2008 season, Roger couldn't even touch, yet Nadal not even the GOAT, compared to Roger,..........RESUME

[bluequiet]

"Like to know of those who feel Bolt is the GOAT, would they call Lebron the GOAT? Don't give me this, basketball is a team sport garbage. You still have individual stats. Or is Padrig Harrington the GOAT in golf? Or is Nadal the GOAT in tennis?"


Speedfirst, this makes NO sense. Bolt won the 100m Dash at the Olympics. That, at the VERY least, is the equal to winning a NBA title (because the Olympics are every four years and are the biggest stage, I'd submit it's actually more equivalent to something like two or three) . Lebron James has not won an NBA title yet. How is Lebron James even remotely comparable to Usain Bolt in that context? Because he won gold at Beijing with the US team? Because he's 6'8" but can drive to the hoop like a guard? The comparison isn't remotely tangible.

Ha, how about this, if Jordan wouldn't have been on the Dream Team, but still had the NBA career he had, would you suddenly begrudge Jordan of basketball GOAT status? Olympic basketball is not where greatness is established for basketball players. Olympic sprinting is where greatness is established for track athletes.

Plus, Lebron has not laid down numbers that put him above Jordan. He is kinda close, but you can't site anything in his stats that put him clearly superior to Jordan on an individual level. If he has a better individual season next year than he did this past year, then he might start having some trump cards statistically. But that hasn't happened yet, talk to me next summer. Tyson Gay is more comparable statistics wise to Lebron James than Usain Bolt. Bolt is more comparable to Wilt Chamberlain. And you do realize, some people still believe Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT of basketball, right?

You want a proper Lebron James/ Usain Bolt analogy using stats? By individual statistics (which are fun, but meaningless in their own right) For Lebrons individual numbers to be comparable to Usain Bolts 2008 season, Lebron would have to average 40-15-15 for a season. Only then could you try to contextualize Bolt's statstical endeavors with a basketball equivalent.

And why would you cite Nadal as GOAT in tennis when Federer is still considered (especially after his Wimbeldon triumph) to again be #1 in the tennis ranks NOW, based soley on current achievement (and not his 15 titles thing). Thats like saying Gay or Powell is the GOAT of track when Bolt is the current number 1, the current record holder, and the current Olympic champ. So, speedfirst, you believe that Gay is the GOAT, based on a Nadal comparison. And of course, you do realize it's going to be VERY common for Federer to be dubbed as the GOAT of tennis from now on.

If Bolt beats Gay at Worlds, Bolt is GOAT. One of the biggest reasons for that is because he hasn't outright beaten Gay yet for a major title, and also because Gay himself is already one of the best sprinter of all time. He won the 100-200-4x1 combo himself at Worlds, and has beaten Powell who is a big time sprinter in his own right.

Let me be clear, here; I'm not a Bolt fan. To be honest, overall, Bolt as an athletic entity does not inspire or excite me. His times are kind of exciting, but since I'm rooting against him they aren't fun for me. Is he good for the sport, unfortunately, yes. He's doing things that shouldn't even be possible and it seems possible that he isn't juiced because hes a bit of an anomoly physically. But he's so freakishly good his existence as a runner just bothers me and now anyone who isn't 6 feet tall is going to be dismissed as a potential sprinter (and shorter people get the short end of the stick enough as it is). I like Gay a lot more. I loved Maurice Greene.

But, sadly, I can't deny it. Based on his performance (longevity can be a factor, but Bolts pure freakness trumps any longevity requirement) I believe Bolt will have to be called the GOAT after Worlds. Gay can save me a lot of trouble and pull out one of the great upsets perhaps of any sports history and beat Bolt in the 100 in Berlin. But I'm from Cleveland (which, by the way, means I WANT Lebron to be GOAT, but he needs to win titles for that) and I know better than to expect someone I root for and love to win.

[Speedfirst]

also the Tour De France.

Without the use of a bicycle.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[dakota]

also the Tour De France.

Without the use of a bicycle.

[infinityemmo]

I like to know of those who feel Bolt is the GOAT, would they call Lebron the GOAT? Don't give me this, basketball is a team sport garbage. You still have individual stats. Or is Padrig Harrington the GOAT in golf? Or is Nadal the GOAT in tennis?

Nah i don't consider Bolt as the GOAT... According to some he is, but i say he'll atleast has to win 2 gold medals @ the Berlin WC's... And then there's still 2011 and 2012... But if he wins double gold (maybe triple with the relays) i'll say he's on his way...

Eldrick says he's the GOAT for running 9.69 basic :lol:

[Speedfirst]

Bolt has to defend in 2012. Then he's the undisputed greatest.

no need to raise the bar! he just need to replicate at the Worlds ... then take out Wariner and Merritt in + MJ in 2012 :lol:

Win the the slam dunk contest, get MVP in the Super Bowl, win the Master's and also the Tour De France.

[larro_yel]

Bolt has to defend in 2012. Then he's the undisputed greatest.

no need to raise the bar! he just need to replicate at the Worlds ... then take out Wariner and Merritt in + MJ in 2012 :lol: