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  • Haskell45
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    @ terry brooke What proof do you have of his "MAX"
    at least with Bolt we can say he obviously could go faster than 9.69 becuase of the blantant time wasting he did in the race.
    There is no measurable evidence that states that Tyson can go bellow 9.70
    his best is his best.

    Be objective here, Gay was very sharp in that last race against Powell maybe as sharp as he is going to get we do not know, Powell was clearly not himself. Regardless of what number of races Tyson has done so far, we are halfway through the year, I dont think Gay was sitting around doing nothing and then decide to grace the 100m to drop a 9.77.
    having run 2 9.77 then to jump to 9.68 in a month is a long shot.
    Not even Bolt jumped by that much, he went from 9.72 to 9.69 and it took him a while.
    Powell went from 9.74 to 9.72, and Powell is a superior sprinter to Gay when it comes to dropping really fast times consistently.

    Going by numbers alone Bolt can do a 9.6, Powell and Gay 9.7s
    with Powell more likely statistically to go bellow 9.8, that cannot be disputed.
    Powell is more likely to mess up, but what are the chances of him messing up after facing the same rivals for a second major finals?
    We have no data for that. And people seem to ignore this Psychological aspect.

    I say that finals will be really close, with only 1 man going bellow 9.70.

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  • track_expert
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    Originally posted by terry_brooks35
    gay hasn't demonstrated the ability.you're kidding, right. he did run 9.77 didn't he? is that his max ? his second hundred of the season and he's peaked.if bolt hasn't run that fast this season ,what makes him so much more capable of fast times.(remember, this is 09, not 08 ) gay handled powell easily, or was I the only one watching that race?what are you guys basing these predictions on ?have you seen gay run this season ? if you have seen him ,how can you be so sure that he CAN'T improve,or won't run faster at the worlds.or is improving times,rising to the occasion, and breaking records strictly a bolt and powell thing.from where I sit, gay's in the drivers seat right now.gay is dropping fast times and looking very relaxed doing it.to say that he's incapable of 9.6 is wishful thinking,at best.make no mistake about it,bolt was EYEBALLS OUT in his last hundred trying to better the 9.77 run by gay earlier.the weather wasn't great,but it didn't seem to hurt bailey or blake (both PRed) so instead of worshipping bolts effort,i'm wondering how fast gay would have run had he been in the race? based on what he's DEMONSTRATED thus far, i think it's safe to assume that he would have handled bailey and blake easily.where would that put him in relation to bolt?what kinda time could be expected? maybe you guys are right.maybe gay doesn't train to win,or run fast ,or improve.
    His 3rd actually, and the 1st one he ran helped him big time, a very good neural imprint from running a 9.75. And what about 200s? Certainly helps his 100m race... 4th fast race of the season and relative to his abilities, he doesnt need as many races as Powell for example does to get going.

    Sure Bolt was eye balls out, but SO WAS GAY, watch the front replay and you clearly see Gay's large eyes slowly popping out

    BTW, Blake ran faster in Rome, the reaction time was faster in Paris thus gave him a faster time than before.

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  • RamGoat
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    Originally posted by terry_brooks35
    gay hasn't demonstrated the ability.you're kidding, right. he did run 9.77 didn't he? is that his max ? his second hundred of the season and he's peaked.if bolt hasn't run that fast this season ,what makes him so much more capable of fast times.(remember, this is 09, not 08 ) gay handled powell easily, or was I the only one watching that race?
    POWELL WAS HEALING FROM AN INJURED ANKLE!!

    You saw how Tyson couldn't even run sub ten in Beijing? Same thing; not 100% fit (or injured)!

    Originally posted by terry_brooks35
    what are you guys basing these predictions on ?
    Ability!

    Originally posted by terry_brooks35
    have you seen gay run this season ?
    Yes!

    Originally posted by terry_brooks35
    if you have seen him ,how can you be so sure that he CAN'T improve,or won't run faster at the worlds.or is improving times,rising to the occasion, and breaking records strictly a bolt and powell thing.from where I sit, gay's in the drivers seat right now.gay is dropping fast times and looking very relaxed doing it.to say that he's incapable of 9.6 is wishful thinking,at best.make no mistake about it,bolt was EYEBALLS OUT in his last hundred trying to better the 9.77 run by gay earlier.the weather wasn't great,but it didn't seem to hurt bailey or blake (both PRed) so instead of worshipping bolts effort,i'm wondering how fast gay would have run had he been in the race? based on what he's DEMONSTRATED thus far, i think it's safe to assume that he would have handled bailey and blake easily.where would that put him in relation to bolt?what kinda time could be expected? maybe you guys are right.maybe gay doesn't train to win,or run fast ,or improve.
    Watch this! Injured Powell, Eyeballs out Gay! Please be objective.. the video doesn't lie!! 8-)

    EYEBALLS OUT FOR GAY!! That is the truth!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tOip48vxyA


    Will Gay improve? Yes... Right now he is 9.79 basic..But since he was eyeballs out not even shutting down.. I can foresee a 9.74 MAX.. which is POSSIBLY is a gold.. but what's with all the 9.68's when he needed a hurricane 4.1m/s wind to run it last year?

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  • track_expert
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    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by RamGoat
    CUT THIS CRAP!!
    POWELL is gunning for gold too.
    Ahem . . . they are ALL running for gold. Unfortunately only one guy is going to win.

    The Las Vegas odds (jk) right now, in % form, are:

    Bolt - 80%
    Gay - 19%
    Bailey - 0.50%
    Powell - 0.49%
    everyone else - 0.01%
    Assuming the odds for everyone else is 0.01% , if they re-ran the race enough times, would all 4 of bolt, gay, bailey, powell trip and stumble and another random guy comes and wins in. lol interesting.

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  • terry_brooks35
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    gay hasn't demonstrated the ability.you're kidding, right. he did run 9.77 didn't he? is that his max ? his second hundred of the season and he's peaked.if bolt hasn't run that fast this season ,what makes him so much more capable of fast times.(remember, this is 09, not 08 ) gay handled powell easily, or was I the only one watching that race?what are you guys basing these predictions on ?have you seen gay run this season ? if you have seen him ,how can you be so sure that he CAN'T improve,or won't run faster at the worlds.or is improving times,rising to the occasion, and breaking records strictly a bolt and powell thing.from where I sit, gay's in the drivers seat right now.gay is dropping fast times and looking very relaxed doing it.to say that he's incapable of 9.6 is wishful thinking,at best.make no mistake about it,bolt was EYEBALLS OUT in his last hundred trying to better the 9.77 run by gay earlier.the weather wasn't great,but it didn't seem to hurt bailey or blake (both PRed) so instead of worshipping bolts effort,i'm wondering how fast gay would have run had he been in the race? based on what he's DEMONSTRATED thus far, i think it's safe to assume that he would have handled bailey and blake easily.where would that put him in relation to bolt?what kinda time could be expected? maybe you guys are right.maybe gay doesn't train to win,or run fast ,or improve.

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  • frontrunner
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    Originally posted by J2thaD
    Originally posted by 110hedgeNYC
    Gay is a better turn runner than Bolt. If he can apply some pressure to Bolt coming off the turn, he's got a chance of holding on.
    That statement isn't backed up by factual evidence. Everybody heard Michael Johnson make that uneducated statement and now everyone is saying it. The last time they raced in the 200 was what, the last World Championships? In that Race, Bolt was clearly ahead off of the curve before Gay ran him down. That wasn't the world record holder Bolt. That was the 2007 Bolt who beat Gay to the straight away while losing the over all race. What evidence do any of you have who keep saying this, that Gay is a better turn runner? I don't think there is any. You have to wait until they are on the same track again in the 200.
    In the 2005 World Champs, Bolt also led Gay and everyone else including Gatlin off the turn before he, Bolt, pulled up injured and hobbled to the finish.

    One love.

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  • knite
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    I don't see sub 9.60, I mean I can't put my head around something that fast legally...this is no jab, but do yall realize how fast that is, and it's just yesterday Greene ran 9.79...

    That's just disgusting!!!!

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  • rudawal
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    Originally posted by Gordon18
    Originally posted by rudawal
    Gay is a nice guy, no question about it, and we'd all want to see him do well in Berlin. However, it's foolhardy to project a sub 9.7 for him in Berlin when he's never come close, even in a one-off, "eyeballs out" effort. It's just not going to happen. My predictions are more in line with proven ability.

    100

    Bolt 9.63
    Powell 9.73
    Gay 9.76

    200

    Bolt 19.28
    Gay 19.58

    Do what you want with the other places, You'll just have to learn to live with what you see here.
    proven ability, but you give powell a silver and 9.73 when he hasn't gone under 9.90 in any major championship


    The point is, he has the ability - which Gay hasn't demonstrated to this point.

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  • williamwindhamjr
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    Powell will not even medal.Gay will have to run the race of his life and Bolt will run a 9.5

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  • Gordon18
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    Originally posted by rudawal
    Gay is a nice guy, no question about it, and we'd all want to see him do well in Berlin. However, it's foolhardy to project a sub 9.7 for him in Berlin when he's never come close, even in a one-off, "eyeballs out" effort. It's just not going to happen. My predictions are more in line with proven ability.

    100

    Bolt 9.63
    Powell 9.73
    Gay 9.76

    200

    Bolt 19.28
    Gay 19.58

    Do what you want with the other places, You'll just have to learn to live with what you see here.
    proven ability, but you give powell a silver and 9.73 when he hasn't gone under 9.90 in any major championship

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  • rudawal
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    Gay is a nice guy, no question about it, and we'd all want to see him do well in Berlin. However, it's foolhardy to project a sub 9.7 for him in Berlin when he's never come close, even in a one-off, "eyeballs out" effort. It's just not going to happen. My predictions are more in line with proven ability.

    100

    Bolt 9.63
    Powell 9.73
    Gay 9.76

    200

    Bolt 19.28
    Gay 19.58

    Do what you want with the other places, You'll just have to learn to live with what you see here.

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  • williamwindhamjr
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    Okay you dont think Gay can run 9.6?

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  • Haskell45
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    Gay running 9.68??
    that is kind of a stretch. After watching Beijing finals, and listening to what Bolt had to say on that issue. I don't think he can do that.

    I predict Powell can do a sub 9.7, though it may be after Berlin.

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  • sprintblox
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    Originally posted by TrainerPhil
    200m

    1st Bolt - 19.25
    2nd Gay - 19.38
    3rd Spearman - 19.90
    4th Crawford - 19.92
    That's a plausible scenario. A few years ago, who would have ever imagined that a guy could run sub-19.4 and lose!

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  • OBUTRACKSTER
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    Originally posted by TrainerPhil
    Daniel Bailey is making some noise, but he isn't in Powell's class. And I think with the focus on Bolt and Gay there won't be as much pressure on Powell to do well. With that in mind, here are my predictions for the 100m and 200m mens' final in Berlin:

    100m

    1st Bolt - 9.61
    2nd Gay - 9.68
    3rd Powell - 9.79
    4th Bailey - 9.88
    5th Thompson - 9.92
    6th Rodgers - 9.94
    7th Patton - 9.95
    8th Frater - 9.99

    Like I said in previous forums, this is going to be a very fast 100m.

    200m

    1st Bolt - 19.25
    2nd Gay - 19.38
    3rd Spearman - 19.90
    4th Crawford - 19.92

    Put it in stone........
    If Bolt and Gay go that fast I think the world would be goin crazy! The track world at least.. (I bet it would be #1 on sportscenter's top 10)

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