Bolt has already won the worlds

[Speedfirst]

It would be cool to see all three take part in Commonwealth Games next year. Blake definately should go and gain experience on the senior level in competing in the 100m at the Games. Next year, there might be the Caribbean Games also, which would be nice for the people of the region. I think JAAA really should focus on those meets, rather than doing that Nonsense Dual meet crap....that was only purposed in the first place to feed EGOS.

You just had to add that and since you did, maybe you need a history lesson on dual meets, how old are you?

Just who''s ego might you be speaking of? Because isn't Jamaica suppose to destroy the U.S. so how again would ego apply here?

Please, at OLYMPICS AND WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS in front of the WHOLE WORLD!! Not in no BullCrap Duel meet, nonsense. I hope the Jamaican Athletes ran on the circuit and take part at Commonwealth games than ...running BullCrap race. Can they look themselves in the mirror and really convince themselves it was worthwhile, if God Forbid anyone of them get injury doing that nonsense?

Hahaha.....you're the one who interjected the dual meet in this thread, you talking about that or not?

[Gordon18]

So called Injury? Oh i see... this is a facade to keep up the hopes of the regular Tyson fan.hmmm just hide the fact that AP was recovering from Injury so the chances of a TG win in Berlin look even better..lol

There was a breakdown of the Video on sprint zone, and it was generally agreed that Asafa did not have proper leg movement and was running one sided.

The man is a BEAST for running 9.88 on a healing ankle. You have to watch the video again and be really open minded to see the potential danger that lies in wait for Tyson Gay in Stockholm. It would have been better for Gay to shut down to a 9.86 in Rome, and even worse he shouldn't have told us that he runs 100% all the time. At least his maximum potential would have been a mystery. But he gave it all away. 9.79 basic. Maurice Greene already did that in '99 :lol:

I don't know how you guys write Powell off so easily. Wait until Stockholm.. you will see what I am talking about. I saw it in Gay's eyes in that run.. Ever been rushed by guard dog at the mall? that is how Gay looked, Moose in the headlights. :shock: 110% adrenalin. He should have been wise to behave even sedentary..He showed all his cards... hehehe.. not a smart move..

sorry but NO, YES gay was full out, but look at that race again,. and look at him in osaka where he ran the 9.85 thats the bulging eyes, and veins ish, He is looking completely different than then he looked real smooth in rome if you wanna compare

[Sportsfanx1]

It would be cool to see all three take part in Commonwealth Games next year. Blake definately should go and gain experience on the senior level in competing in the 100m at the Games. Next year, there might be the Caribbean Games also, which would be nice for the people of the region. I think JAAA really should focus on those meets, rather than doing that Nonsense Dual meet crap....that was only purposed in the first place to feed EGOS.

You just had to add that and since you did, maybe you need a history lesson on dual meets, how old are you?

Just who''s ego might you be speaking of? Because isn't Jamaica suppose to destroy the U.S. so how again would ego apply here?

Please, at OLYMPICS AND WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS in front of the WHOLE WORLD!! Not in no BullCrap Duel meet, nonsense. I hope the Jamaican Athletes ran on the circuit and take part at Commonwealth games than ...running BullCrap race. Can they look themselves in the mirror and really convince themselves it was worthwhile, if God Forbid anyone of them get injury doing that nonsense?

[Speedfirst]

.... I saw this battle coming the moment that post went up .....

lol

*sits back and watch*

LOL......I promise to be civil 8-)

[t_monk]

.... I saw this battle coming the moment that post went up .....

lol

*sits back and watch*

[Speedfirst]

It would be cool to see all three take part in Commonwealth Games next year. Blake definately should go and gain experience on the senior level in competing in the 100m at the Games. Next year, there might be the Caribbean Games also, which would be nice for the people of the region. I think JAAA really should focus on those meets, rather than doing that Nonsense Dual meet crap....that was only purposed in the first place to feed EGOS.

You just had to add that and since you did, maybe you need a history lesson on dual meets, how old are you?

Just who''s ego might you be speaking of? Because isn't Jamaica suppose to destroy the U.S. so how again would ego apply here?

[Sportsfanx1]

It would be cool to see all three take part in Commonwealth Games next year. Blake definately should go and gain experience on the senior level in competing in the 100m at the Games. Next year, there might be the Caribbean Games also, which would be nice for the people of the region. I think JAAA really should focus on those meets, rather than doing that Nonsense Dual meet crap....that was only purposed in the first place to feed EGOS.

[track_expert]

Sounds like there is some noise in JA about replacing Frater with Blake in the open 100m. Frater would have to give up his spot (don't see anybody doing that) but there is language in the selection rules that says if a player doesn't demonstrate that they are in good shape for WC then he/she can be replaced. If Blake runs another good race it wouldn't surprise me if Frater has some kind of injury and Blake is selected to run in his place. Remember, Blake finished SIXTH at the JA trials, so he still has to leap frog Anderson and Mullings as well.

But don't be surprised if the word comes down from the selection committee that they want Blake to run.

If he runs, he could end up in the medal mix in Berlin (this assuming Asafa does his usual disappearing).

The last time I check...JAAA said, Blake is not listed in Men's 100m, but is slated to be in the relay team taking Nester Carter spot.

Bolt, Asafa and Frater will be Jamaica representatives in 100m in Berlin.

As much as I like Blake, he blew his chance and he has to wait until 2011 to represent Jamaica at a Major World Championships. The relay experience in Berlin will do him well.

He's got commonwealths next year which will be a nice first championship, well for individual. He's still got relays this year and a very good chance for gold.

21 is still young for his first world champs and how good is he going to be then.

Bolt, powell, blake should sweep the podium at commonwealths.

[Mikewats]

Sounds like there is some noise in JA about replacing Frater with Blake in the open 100m. Frater would have to give up his spot (don't see anybody doing that) but there is language in the selection rules that says if a player doesn't demonstrate that they are in good shape for WC then he/she can be replaced. If Blake runs another good race it wouldn't surprise me if Frater has some kind of injury and Blake is selected to run in his place. Remember, Blake finished SIXTH at the JA trials, so he still has to leap frog Anderson and Mullings as well.

But don't be surprised if the word comes down from the selection committee that they want Blake to run.

If he runs, he could end up in the medal mix in Berlin (this assuming Asafa does his usual disappearing).

The last time I check...JAAA said, Blake is not listed in Men's 100m, but is slated to be in the relay team taking Nester Carter spot.

Bolt, Asafa and Frater will be Jamaica representatives in 100m in Berlin.

As much as I like Blake, he blew his chance and he has to wait until 2011 to represent Jamaica at a Major World Championships. The relay experience in Berlin will do him well.

He's got commonwealths next year which will be a nice first championship, well for individual. He's still got relays this year and a very good chance for gold.

21 is still young for his first world champs and how good is he going to be then.

[3]

Dude, there is NO LOGIC whatsoever in what you are saying right now:


This is what you are saying right now:

- Bolt ran faster this year, at the same point in the season than he did last year at the same point in the season.

Mr. Atheist, I initially responded to your assertion that Mr. Bolt had *only* run 19.67 before the Olympics last season. Given the circumstances of his race, including his margin of victory, he does not appear to have pushed to his maximum despite his personal best time set. Your ability to have comprehended what I wrote has *appeared* to have faltered at some level. I have *not* compared two races at the same time, rather made a comment about Mr. Bolt's best 200m race entering the Olympics.

- And was pushed less hard this year than last year.

Relative to his lifetime best it's undisputable that he pushed harder in Tsiklitiria than he did in Lausanne. Forget your basic marks and hypothetical excess baggage for a moment: How much slower is 19.67s against 19.67 than 19.59 is from 19.30? I know you're cringing right now, because certainly a thousand million small and large factors *must* be taken into consideration --- including wind, reaction time, weather, training cycle, etcetera etcetera.

However, since you were strictly using times and not the actual 2008 race condition originally, you found this discussion at the point where it now rests.

- Therefore he is slower this year than last year at the 200.

There appears to be a lack of evidence on your part to make a claim that this quote is my own.

How does

1. Faster time

2. At the same point in the season

3. With way shittier conditions

4. While being pushed even less hard

5. Means he is SLOWER at it than last year???? What?????????

Mr. Atheist, I believe your hangup is on point 4, the idea of Mr. Bolt being pushed less hard in one race over the other. If you will take a moment to make a more thorough analysis of what I wrote, you will come to see that I made a correct assumption that Mr. Bolt pushed himself harder (not that he was pushed harder) in Athens than he did in Lausanne if you simply look at his finishing time. Granted, there are a number of factors to consider when analysing the end result (point 3 for example), and that was the very point I was making with respect to the point you made about Mr. Bolt's 200m time entering the Olympics.

[knite]

[quote=The Atheist]

He was pushed even less hard in Lausanne than he was in Tsiklitiria.

Relative to his lifetime best it's undisputable that he pushed harder in Tsiklitiria than he did in Lausanne, however, despite how hard he was pushed or the conditions relative to one race over the other. I'd like to fully comprehend and appreciate what you're attempting to quantify with, "quite a bit better" in 2009 compared to 2008. Mr. Bolt sprinted very well in Athens in 2008, registering a lifetime best in a race where he faced limited competition. How much faster would he have run in a race with closer competition? Would it have been worth 0.10s? 0.15? 0.20? It's worth repeating that the 19.67s time Mr. Bolt ran wasn't truly indicative of the shape he was in at the time in 2008, so it isn't a true measuring stick when comparing 2008 to 2009.

Dude, there is NO LOGIC whatsoever in what you are saying right now:


This is what you are saying right now:

- Bolt ran faster this year, at the same point in the season than he did last year at the same point in the season.

- And had wayyyyyyyyyy shittier race conditions this year than last year.

- And was pushed less hard this year than last year.

- Therefore he is slower this year than last year at the 200.

WHAT!?!?!???? This makes NOOOOOOO SENSE.

How does

1. Faster time

2. At the same point in the season

3. With way shittier conditions

4. While being pushed even less hard

5. Means he is SLOWER at it than last year???? What?????????

I'm not sure where the llogic is in this thought process, but I do think we are going to need to use the Hubble Space Telescope to have ANY chance of finding it.[/quote:2ae0yojn]

Actually, he makes a very logical point.

The point being, that no one knew how Bolt would be performing last yr, not even himself. To state that he was is in better shape as it relates to a "then/now" scenario is only speculative, as we have no idea or anything other than to say "he ran this time last yr, and this other time, this yr. He virtually could be in the same exact shape. He could be faster, or he could be slower.

There is no equation that you can come up with to determine that info, that is all he is stating. Pretty logical to me.

[Sportsfanx1]

So, let me get this right. Tyson runs a 19.58 in his FIRST 200 of the year on a track that doesn't have as generous curve ratio as Bolt had in his race and he has NO shot at being world champ? Did I get that right? Puleeeze

NO! He has no shot of being World Champ. Comparing him against a guy who ran 19.30 in -0.9 negative headwind, after doing seven rounds of running on TRACK AND FIELD BIGGEST stage and this guy is still around and looking to be in even that 19.30 form one month away from World Championships after being behind in his schedule. Wake up out of your dream or do you rather to be awaken during the World Championships?

[Sportsfanx1]

Sounds like there is some noise in JA about replacing Frater with Blake in the open 100m. Frater would have to give up his spot (don't see anybody doing that) but there is language in the selection rules that says if a player doesn't demonstrate that they are in good shape for WC then he/she can be replaced. If Blake runs another good race it wouldn't surprise me if Frater has some kind of injury and Blake is selected to run in his place. Remember, Blake finished SIXTH at the JA trials, so he still has to leap frog Anderson and Mullings as well.

But don't be surprised if the word comes down from the selection committee that they want Blake to run.

If he runs, he could end up in the medal mix in Berlin (this assuming Asafa does his usual disappearing).

The last time I check...JAAA said, Blake is not listed in Men's 100m, but is slated to be in the relay team taking Nester Carter spot.

Bolt, Asafa and Frater will be Jamaica representatives in 100m in Berlin.

As much as I like Blake, he blew his chance and he has to wait until 2011 to represent Jamaica at a Major World Championships. The relay experience in Berlin will do him well.

[The Atheist]

He was pushed even less hard in Lausanne than he was in Tsiklitiria.

Relative to his lifetime best it's undisputable that he pushed harder in Tsiklitiria than he did in Lausanne, however, despite how hard he was pushed or the conditions relative to one race over the other. I'd like to fully comprehend and appreciate what you're attempting to quantify with, "quite a bit better" in 2009 compared to 2008. Mr. Bolt sprinted very well in Athens in 2008, registering a lifetime best in a race where he faced limited competition. How much faster would he have run in a race with closer competition? Would it have been worth 0.10s? 0.15? 0.20? It's worth repeating that the 19.67s time Mr. Bolt ran wasn't truly indicative of the shape he was in at the time in 2008, so it isn't a true measuring stick when comparing 2008 to 2009.

Dude, there is NO LOGIC whatsoever in what you are saying right now:


This is what you are saying right now:

- Bolt ran faster this year, at the same point in the season than he did last year at the same point in the season.

- And had wayyyyyyyyyy shittier race conditions this year than last year.

- And was pushed less hard this year than last year.

- Therefore he is slower this year than last year at the 200.

WHAT!?!?!???? This makes NOOOOOOO SENSE.

How does

1. Faster time

2. At the same point in the season

3. With way shittier conditions

4. While being pushed even less hard

5. Means he is SLOWER at it than last year???? What?????????

I'm not sure where the llogic is in this thought process, but I do think we are going to need to use the Hubble Space Telescope to have ANY chance of finding it.

[3]

He was pushed even less hard in Lausanne than he was in Tsiklitiria.

Relative to his lifetime best it's undisputable that he pushed harder in Tsiklitiria than he did in Lausanne, however, despite how hard he was pushed or the conditions relative to one race over the other. I'd like to fully comprehend and appreciate what you're attempting to quantify with, "quite a bit better" in 2009 compared to 2008. Mr. Bolt sprinted very well in Athens in 2008, registering a lifetime best in a race where he faced limited competition. How much faster would he have run in a race with closer competition? Would it have been worth 0.10s? 0.15? 0.20? It's worth repeating that the 19.67s time Mr. Bolt ran wasn't truly indicative of the shape he was in at the time in 2008, so it isn't a true measuring stick when comparing 2008 to 2009.