Wayne Davis II - 13.19 (+1.5) and 13.08w (+2.2)

[steveu]

At Pan Am Juniors ...

That's an auto HSR and superior to everything except Skeets' 12.9h. 13.08 would have to be called best HS under any conditions.

The 13.19 is also a WJR ... WITH the relatively new Junior 39" hurdles (inferior obviously to Liu Xaing's 13.12 w/42" ... Skeets also ran 13.23 as a Jr w/42")

[steveu]

also at that meet, good 400 w/Kirani James GRN 45.43 over Tavaris Tate USA 45.50

[gm]

wind... 2.2 or 2.0?

[Andy4]

Where are the results for the 110 hurdles?

[Half Miler]

Where are the results for the 110 hurdles?

http://www.cfpitiming.com/liveresults/index.htm

[justblaze1011]

Event 115 Men 100 Meter Dash
================================================== ===================
World: W 9.69 8/16/2008 Usain Bolt, JAM @ Beijing, CHN
World Jr: J 10.01 8/24/2003 Darrel Brown, TRI
Pan Am Champ: P 10.20 7/5/1986 S. Kerr and J. Samuels, USA,WP,USA
2009 Best: * 10.04 D'Angelo Cherry, USA, Fayetteville
Name Year Team Finals Wind
================================================== ===================
Finals
1 Rowland, Marcus 90 USA 10.03* 0.7
2 Cherry, D'Angelo 90 USA 10.17P 0.7
3 Cavalcanti, Diego Henriq 91 Brazil 10.30 0.7
4 Lee, Dexter 91 Jamaica 10.33 0.7
5 Allsop, Shermund 91 Trinidad & Tobago 10.39 0.7
6 Rogers, Jason 91 ST Kitts & Nevis 10.49 0.7
6 Frazier, Warren 91 Bahamas 10.49 0.7
8 Lopez, Miguel 90 Puerto Rico 10.50 0.7

This kid is a beast man!!!

[gh]

If you want to be really picky you can deny Davis HSR status. HS hurdles are 39 inches. The Junior ones are only 38.98 inches!

[gh]

Re: Wayne Davis II - 13.19 (+1.5) and 13.08w (+2.2)

A....
The 13.19 is also a WJR ... WITH the relatively new Junior 39" hurdles (inferior obviously to Liu Xaing's 13.12 w/42" ... Skeets also ran 13.23 as a Jr w/42")

The recognized WJR is—as it should be—Liu's 13.12. To call a shorter hurdle mark better makes no sense at all. Same as those schools who call a 4:10 in the 1600 the school record instead of a 4:08 mile. If you exceed the measure/distance, it doesn't somehow get invalidated.

That would be the same as denying somebody a shot record becuse their ball was too heavy!

[imaginative]

Then again, some of us consider the IAAF about as competent
and rational as those schools...

I am actually surprised that they got it right.

[gh]

They didn't get it right at first; it took some prodding from some pains in their ass (no names mentioned).

[gh]

I'm now told teh 13.08 was w/ 2.0 ????

[steveu]

Yep, 2.0 ... the original 2.2 that I'd heard was flashed incorrectly on a scoreboard at the meet I was told (I'm not there, but heard from NSSF folks covering it).

Unfortunately, USATF is calling it WJR w/o clarification and who knows who else will, too. Interesting, also, that IAAF lists WJR as 13.12, but the only all-time list I've found is the one that has 39"/99 cm marks only.

Of course, Tilastopaja has the 42" list and I don't know who else does. But we knew right away about the difference! I suspect WDII, a pretty exacting kid, is aware as well.

Confusing for a lot of people I'm sure, though. Why did the IAAF switch from 42 to 39 for Jrs anyway?

[steveu]

You can imagine what a pain it is for us at DS, having to distinguish between youth implements, HS implements, and Jr implements ... as well as differing hurdle heights. And why a "Youth" is 16-17 in an World meet, but 13-14 in a USATF meet!

Leads to questions like who holds the most US records in a single event? Why, I think it's Conor McCullough, who know has hammer records for youth (11 lbs+/-), HS (12), Jr (13.2) and Sr (16)!!!

[Andy4]

[Confusing for a lot of people I'm sure, though. Why did the IAAF switch from 42 to 39 for Jrs anyway?[/quote]

I was just having this discussion with some friends about the height difference. We all pretty much agreed that the American collegiate 110 hurdlers are really at a disadvantage in this event. In addition to the adjustment down from the 42" to the 39" you also have to account for the lack of races available for them to run if any to be equally prepared at this height. Since the switch I wonder if a collegiate has won the event?

[Walt Murphy]

Re: Wayne Davis II - 13.19 (+1.5) and 13.08w (+2.2)

A....
The 13.19 is also a WJR ... WITH the relatively new Junior 39" hurdles (inferior obviously to Liu Xaing's 13.12 w/42" ... Skeets also ran 13.23 as a Jr w/42")

The recognized WJR is—as it should be—Liu's 13.12. To call a shorter hurdle mark better makes no sense at all. Same as those schools who call a 4:10 in the 1600 the school record instead of a 4:08 mile. If you exceed the measure/distance, it doesn't somehow get invalidated.

That would be the same as denying somebody a shot record becuse their ball was too heavy!

I believe Davis ESTABLISHES (not breaks) the World Junior Record for the junior height. This is from the IAAF startlist at last year's World Junior Championships:

13.12 WJ VACANT *
13.23 CR Artur NOGA POL 18 Beijing (Chaoyang) 20 Aug 2006
13.32 WJL Konstantin SHABANOV RUS 18 Cheboksary 17 Jun 2008
* Vacant, until someone matches the record set for 106.7cm specified on top