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  • #16
    Originally posted by justblaze1011
    For those of you who got nothing positive to say about this man, I only have a few questions for y'all??????

    Can any of you even make the USA championships??? NOPE!!!

    Can any of you run the times he's ran??? NOPE!!!

    Can any of you make a national team??? NOPE!!!

    Can any of you set the records he's set so far??? NOPE!!!

    Can any of you make it to a championship(world or olympics) to "choke"??? NOPE!!!

    I thought so! This thread got hater written all over it!!!
    JB... I side with you on most things but this has got to be the dumbest post I've seen in awhile (and I've seen this post in many threads). It's an internet forum--of course 99% of the board hasn't done the stuff an athlete has... b/c they're fans, not the athletes.

    That logic has no relevance to people criticizing an athlete's career, in a negative or positive manner.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by justblaze1011
      For those of you who got nothing positive to say about this man, I only have a few questions for y'all??????
      Mr. blaze, is the question one of current ability or past performance? I don't think everyone has truly identified themselves here. There was a 400 miler who listed his Pr's on a thread two weeks ago, but there may be others who have also run well and simply not chosen to say so. So if your question is if ANY posters here can/could qualify in any one of those criteria, I believe the answer would be *yes*, especially the Mr. Theriot who appears to be swimming under the weight of his ego and past accomplishments.
      Fire Impossible.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jeremyp
        Webb's issues seem to be less physical than mental.
        I always thought that was true of Holman, too.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ross sez
          JB... I side with you on most things but this has got to be the dumbest post I've seen in awhile (and I've seen this post in many threads). It's an internet forum--of course 99% of the board hasn't done the stuff an athlete has... b/c they're fans, not the athletes.
          ross sez it right.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by tandfman
            Originally posted by ross sez
            JB... I side with you on most things but this has got to be the dumbest post I've seen in awhile (and I've seen this post in many threads). It's an internet forum--of course 99% of the board hasn't done the stuff an athlete has... b/c they're fans, not the athletes.
            ross sez it right.
            Agreed, but...

            I also dislike the screechers applying a "choker" to accomplished athletes, just because they never won "a big one". Their qualifications for such an opinion, to me, are irrelevant.
            "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
            by Thomas Henry Huxley

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            • #21
              I think its goes farther than the Webb is better than you thing. IMO, people being critics are well and fine, but when the critics become self identified experts who have all the answers and start calling people chokers..........that is when I tend to take the route JB took.

              Webb has been our most successful miler to date since Steve Scott, medals or no medals. Since he has been pro he may have had 3 seasons at the MOST totally healthy.

              For all the criticism of Webb, no American born middle distance runner of this decade comes CLOSE to rivaling him.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Pego
                Originally posted by tandfman
                Originally posted by ross sez
                JB... I side with you on most things but this has got to be the dumbest post I've seen in awhile (and I've seen this post in many threads). It's an internet forum--of course 99% of the board hasn't done the stuff an athlete has... b/c they're fans, not the athletes.
                ross sez it right.
                Agreed, but...

                I also dislike the screechers applying a "choker" to accomplished athletes, just because they never won "a big one". Their qualifications for such an opinion, to me, are irrelevant.
                I don't disagree.

                I don't think I've never called Webb a choker, but I may have expressed disappointment in the fact that he's never been on an international podium. I think we all feel that he's had the potential to be there, and it's natural to be disappointed that he has not gone as far as we think his talent could have taken him.

                I am certainly not one of those who think it's too late for him to win serious hardware, especially in the absence of a dominant international miler such as El Guerrouj.

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                • #23
                  One question this topic brings to mind: What would it take for we fans to consider Webb's career "successful?"
                  Would a single Olympic/Worlds medal or top-five finish do it?
                  A couple of consistent seasons capped with championship finals qualifiers?
                  More PRs?
                  He has already had some wild successes, of course. National championships and records, victories overseas. Top world marks. Fame and fortune. He's also had some deep frustrations. Peaks and valleys.
                  Does he need to do more to live up to the promise projected on him in his prep years?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by jeremyp
                    Webb's issues seem to be less physical than mental. A new coach and environment might bring him back.

                    The French equivalent of Webb: Baala; has also had extreme ups and downs: PR 3.28.98 in 2003; 4th Sydney; 12th Edmonton; 2d Paris; zilch Athens, Helsinki; Osaka(dq'd); 4th (3d) Beijing . Not ranked in 2004/5, ranked 4th in 2006/7. 6th in 2008. Yet here he is again, with a 3.30 clocking.

                    I don't know if their issues are the same, but plenty of French fans counted him out after his failures. Webb is young. Baala is 4 1/2 years older.
                    Well, at least he had a few real highs in major championships.
                    Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Powell
                      Originally posted by jeremyp
                      Webb's issues seem to be less physical than mental. A new coach and environment might bring him back.

                      The French equivalent of Webb: Baala; has also had extreme ups and downs: PR 3.28.98 in 2003; 4th Sydney; 12th Edmonton; 2d Paris; zilch Athens, Helsinki; Osaka(dq'd); 4th (3d) Beijing . Not ranked in 2004/5, ranked 4th in 2006/7. 6th in 2008. Yet here he is again, with a 3.30 clocking.

                      I don't know if their issues are the same, but plenty of French fans counted him out after his failures. Webb is young. Baala is 4 1/2 years older.
                      Well, at least he had a few real highs in major championships.
                      True! But what a rollercoaster, and that's all I was really trying to say: If he can come back, maybe Webb can do so as well.

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                      • #26
                        To Ed Gee:

                        If you don't limit it to current top ten hs milers (tho his time may have been top ten in its day?) did/do you think Matt Centrowitz may have pr'd at or past 26 yo? He had long career and may have run a fast 1500/mile (Euro circuit) even after moving up to 5k? I don't know answer...just asking.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by guruof track
                          I think its goes farther than the Webb is better than you thing. IMO, people being critics are well and fine, but when the critics become self identified experts who have all the answers and start calling people chokers..........that is when I tend to take the route JB took.

                          Webb has been our most successful miler to date since Steve Scott, medals or no medals. Since he has been pro he may have had 3 seasons at the MOST totally healthy.

                          For all the criticism of Webb, no American born middle distance runner of this decade comes CLOSE to rivaling him.
                          Guru, You are correct in that regard but, at least for me, it is not the fact how much success he has had, but rather how much I think he should have had considering his potential. I know the Track world is fraught with injuries, other competitors, etc. but considering what he did as a high schooler, I think most people would have thought he would have achieved much more than he has. I am not hating on him just stating what I personally believe most people thought he would have accomplished. But, do not fret yet he still has a lot of time left in his career.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Tvarish

                            Guru, You are correct in that regard but, at least for me, it is not the fact how much success he has had, but rather how much I think he should have had considering his potential. I know the Track world is fraught with injuries, other competitors, etc. but considering what he did as a high schooler, I think most people would have thought he would have achieved much more than he has. I am not hating on him just stating what I personally believe most people thought he would have accomplished. But, do not fret yet he still has a lot of time left in his career.
                            When you say how much you think or thought he would have achieved by now, I assume your talking about medals, because I would call running 1:43, 3:30, and 3:46 MAJOR achievements.


                            People always dwell on the negatives about Webb instead of the positives he has accomplished. I dont think we can point to any US middle distance runner who has PRs to match those.

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                            • #29
                              As a HSer in 1973, Matt ran the 1500 in 3:43.4...PB was 3:36.7 for 1500 in '76 as a 21 yo..his 1500 marks were probably superior to his HS and lifetime mile bests of 4:02.70 and 3:54.94.

                              Matt's mile PB was in 1982, when he was 27.


                              Originally posted by exdrake
                              To Ed Gee:

                              If you don't limit it to current top ten hs milers (tho his time may have been top ten in its day?) did/do you think Matt Centrowitz may have pr'd at or past 26 yo? He had long career and may have run a fast 1500/mile (Euro circuit) even after moving up to 5k? I don't know answer...just asking.

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                              • #30
                                It seems that Holman ran his fastest times as a third, fourth or further back placer. Webb's have generally come while winning (e.g., Paris GL, setting the AR mile, his 800PR, 10,000,...

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