What to do with the Jamaican relays?

[TheBlur]

Men- I wouldn't put Blake on the relay. Even if he's cleared, which looks like is going to happen. He seems unready for that stage. He might screw up a hand-off or something.
Nesta Carter should be ready by then. If not, use the hurdler as an alt.

Women- Similar situation. Sherone Simpson just ran a 11.12 last weekend. So she appears to be recovered from the knee surgery. Put her back on the team with Facey and Bailey as alts for VCB and Fraser, who are both doubling.
Brooks was cleared, but why take that chance. Let it die down for her and come back when it's forgotten. Or at the most let her be an alt, where there is less negative focus on her participation.

[jamstar]

i would rather see simpson on that relay than bailey Lord knows shes a good athlete but she jus not running the times we need

[toyracer]

Carter did not even take part in the trials, and to the best of my knowledge did not ask for a medical exemption, so he cannot be on the team for Berlin.

Simpson finished fifth in her semi-final heat; there are other runners far ahead of her in the pecking order before she could even remotely be considered. She missed her chance, tough luck.

[TheBlur]

Carter did not even take part in the trials, and to the best of my knowledge did not ask for a medical exemption, so he cannot be on the team for Berlin.

Simpson finished fifth in her semi-final heat; there are other runners far ahead of her in the pecking order before she could even remotely be considered. She missed her chance, tough luck.

she had a surgery on her knee... you from kingston, don't u want the best team?

[Tammy_Baby]

I'm all for leaving Blake off the relay also, especially if this whole debacle doesn't clear up, this getting off on technicality is a little too suspect for me, not in the way some may assume...Howver, if all goes well, I say run him in the heats on the 2nd leg where folks are considering and watch how he runs compared to Steve Mullings...If he's impressive, then I say keep him and then run the final Frater :arrow: Blake :arrow: Usain :arrow: Asafa

However, as far as the female team goes, I WOULD NOT put Sherone on the team, I'm sorry, Sherone has done nothing to show she's ready to run at WC's, and also, SHE DID NOT QUALIFY for the team... Whatever post trials run she's done, shows she's getting back into shape, plus her better time was W/A...Aleen has been a staple on 3rd before, and while she may not be running sub 10s, she will get that baton around to Ver, who I think will be on anchor... If Aleen doesn't run, have you forgotten Brooks??? While I don't agree with the circumstances surrounding how she was cleared, she did earn her spot, and would more than likely , be a better leg than Aleen... Facey is another choice, and is at least a competent replacement, she may not be as good as an in shape Sherone, but hey, even an in shape Simpson doesn't guarantee the baton getting around, hello, do you remember Beijing...

My top pick for the women would be:
Shelly :arrow: Sherri-Ann :arrow: Kerron :arrow: Ver

B pick would be:
Shelly :arrow: Kerron :arrow: Aleen/Sherri-Ann :arrow: Ver

[sprintblox]

They shoudn't put Brooks on the relay. Her getting cleared seems very shaky, and is even being appealed (of course it's dumb that the JADCO can appeal their own ruling!).

Given that she is not solidly free and clear, she shouldn't be put on the relay and risk having the other athletes getting screwed out of a medal if she is later found guilty.

[toyracer]

Carter did not even take part in the trials, and to the best of my knowledge did not ask for a medical exemption, so he cannot be on the team for Berlin.

Simpson finished fifth in her semi-final heat; there are other runners far ahead of her in the pecking order before she could even remotely be considered. She missed her chance, tough luck.

she had a surgery on her knee... you from kingston, don't u want the best team?

I want the very best team allowed, in full accordance to the rules and regulations of the JAAA.

Is that a clear enough answer?

Simpson had her chance to play the "I am injured" card. Bruce James spoke specifically about this prior to the trials. However, no medical exemption was filed for and Simspon instead chose to run in the trials. She finished fifth in her heat. End of story. Thanks for playing. Come back in 2010 and try for the Commonwealth Games team.

Other women did what they had to do at trials and have earned their right to be on the relay team. Simpson's name is not a part of that short list, and the others that are on the list deserve due consideration. They are the names that we have, it is up to us now to pick the best possible team from that group.

[TheBlur]

I'm all for leaving Blake off the relay also, especially if this whole debacle doesn't clear up, this getting off on technicality is a little too suspect for me, not in the way some may assume...Howver, if all goes well, I say run him in the heats on the 2nd leg where folks are considering and watch how he runs compared to Steve Mullings...If he's impressive, then I say keep him and then run the final Frater :arrow: Blake :arrow: Usain :arrow: Asafa

However, as far as the female team goes, I WOULD NOT put Sherone on the team, I'm sorry, Sherone has done nothing to show she's ready to run at WC's, and also, SHE DID NOT QUALIFY for the team... Whatever post trials run she's done, shows she's getting back into shape, plus her better time was W/A...Aleen has been a staple on 3rd before, and while she may not be running sub 10s, she will get that baton around to Ver, who I think will be on anchor... If Aleen doesn't run, have you forgotten Brooks??? While I don't agree with the circumstances surrounding how she was cleared, she did earn her spot, and would more than likely , be a better leg than Aleen... Facey is another choice, and is at least a competent replacement, she may not be as good as an in shape Sherone, but hey, even an in shape Simpson doesn't guarantee the baton getting around, hello, do you remember Beijing...

My top pick for the women would be:
Shelly :arrow: Sherri-Ann :arrow: Kerron :arrow: Ver

B pick would be:
Shelly :arrow: Kerron :arrow: Aleen/Sherri-Ann :arrow: Ver

i just said Sherone ran a 11.12 last week. can you read? that is faster than any time Bailey or Facey has run this year..

also the relay mistake in Beijing was 100% Stewart's fault.. she left early, no fault of Sherone whatsoever...

[TheBlur]

Carter did not even take part in the trials, and to the best of my knowledge did not ask for a medical exemption, so he cannot be on the team for Berlin.

Simpson finished fifth in her semi-final heat; there are other runners far ahead of her in the pecking order before she could even remotely be considered. She missed her chance, tough luck.

she had a surgery on her knee... you from kingston, don't u want the best team?

I want the very best team allowed, in full accordance to the rules and regulations of the JAAA.

Is that a clear enough answer?

Simpson had her chance to play the "I am injured" card. Bruce James spoke specifically about this prior to the trials. However, no medical exemption was filed for and Simspon instead chose to run in the trials. She finished fifth in her heat. End of story. Thanks for playing. Come back in 2010 and try for the Commonwealth Games team.

Other women did what they had to do at trials and have earned their right to be on the relay team. Simpson's name is not a part of that short list, and the others that are on the list deserve due consideration. They are the names that we have, it is up to us now to pick the best possible team from that group.

you're typical of someone without loyalty to a great Jamaican athlete. She ran because she has heart. she don't make excuses.. those rules are dumb.. choose the best sprinters with the most experience and speed..

[Tammy_Baby]

hahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:

[t_monk]

I'm all for leaving Blake off the relay also, especially if this whole debacle doesn't clear up, this getting off on technicality is a little too suspect for me, not in the way some may assume...Howver, if all goes well, I say run him in the heats on the 2nd leg where folks are considering and watch how he runs compared to Steve Mullings...If he's impressive, then I say keep him and then run the final Frater :arrow: Blake :arrow: Usain :arrow: Asafa

However, as far as the female team goes, I WOULD NOT put Sherone on the team, I'm sorry, Sherone has done nothing to show she's ready to run at WC's, and also, SHE DID NOT QUALIFY for the team... Whatever post trials run she's done, shows she's getting back into shape, plus her better time was W/A...Aleen has been a staple on 3rd before, and while she may not be running sub 10s, she will get that baton around to Ver, who I think will be on anchor... If Aleen doesn't run, have you forgotten Brooks??? While I don't agree with the circumstances surrounding how she was cleared, she did earn her spot, and would more than likely , be a better leg than Aleen... Facey is another choice, and is at least a competent replacement, she may not be as good as an in shape Sherone, but hey, even an in shape Simpson doesn't guarantee the baton getting around, hello, do you remember Beijing...

My top pick for the women would be:
Shelly :arrow: Sherri-Ann :arrow: Kerron :arrow: Ver

B pick would be:
Shelly :arrow: Kerron :arrow: Aleen/Sherri-Ann :arrow: Ver

i just said Sherone ran a 11.12 last week. can you read? that is faster than any time Bailey or Facey has run this year..

Firstly Sherone's time was wind aided and secondly Bailey ran afaster time earlier in the season. I admit though that Aleen doesn't look her best in the least. I think the best bet would be Brooks seeing that her best time this year is:
11.16 -1.5 Sheri-Ann Brooks JAM 11/02/1983 3 Kingston (NS), JAM 27/06/2009
Note the wind, converting that to zero wind and you get a 11.0x easily.

This is Simpson's time:
11.12 2.6 Sherone Simpson JAM 12/08/1984 2 bochum 02/08/2009

[TheBlur]

[quote=t_monk]

I'm all for leaving Blake off the relay also, especially if this whole debacle doesn't clear up, this getting off on technicality is a little too suspect for me, not in the way some may assume...Howver, if all goes well, I say run him in the heats on the 2nd leg where folks are considering and watch how he runs compared to Steve Mullings...If he's impressive, then I say keep him and then run the final Frater :arrow: Blake :arrow: Usain :arrow: Asafa

However, as far as the female team goes, I WOULD NOT put Sherone on the team, I'm sorry, Sherone has done nothing to show she's ready to run at WC's, and also, SHE DID NOT QUALIFY for the team... Whatever post trials run she's done, shows she's getting back into shape, plus her better time was W/A...Aleen has been a staple on 3rd before, and while she may not be running sub 10s, she will get that baton around to Ver, who I think will be on anchor... If Aleen doesn't run, have you forgotten Brooks??? While I don't agree with the circumstances surrounding how she was cleared, she did earn her spot, and would more than likely , be a better leg than Aleen... Facey is another choice, and is at least a competent replacement, she may not be as good as an in shape Sherone, but hey, even an in shape Simpson doesn't guarantee the baton getting around, hello, do you remember Beijing...

My top pick for the women would be:
Shelly :arrow: Sherri-Ann :arrow: Kerron :arrow: Ver

B pick would be:
Shelly :arrow: Kerron :arrow: Aleen/Sherri-Ann :arrow: Ver

i just said Sherone ran a 11.12 last week. can you read? that is faster than any time Bailey or Facey has run this year..

Firstly Sherone's time was wind aided and secondly Bailey ran afaster time earlier in the season. I admit though that Aleen doesn't look her best in the least. I think the best bet would be Brooks seeing that her best time this year is:
11.16 -1.5 Sheri-Ann Brooks JAM 11/02/1983 3 Kingston (NS), JAM 27/06/2009
Note the wind, converting that to zero wind and you get a 11.0x easily.

This is Simpson's time:
11.12 2.6 Sherone Simpson JAM 12/08/1984 2 bochum 02/08/2009[/quote:120ddjnr]

Sherone's time was barely over the legal limit.. point is that she is a far better sprinter than the others when sound.. that was only her 3rd race this year.. and already it's better than the others, including Brooks, who have been healthy all year..

if this exact situation were presented with Bolt coming off surgery, he would be running.. they would be breaking those "rules" to get him in the individual races too..

People forget that Sherone was #1 in '06 and had been running injured, and in need of surgery, for two years straight.. yet still managed an Olympic silver..

at her best she can still be #1 again.. if the surgery fully corrected the problem..

[t_monk]

[quote=TheBlur]

I'm all for leaving Blake off the relay also, especially if this whole debacle doesn't clear up, this getting off on technicality is a little too suspect for me, not in the way some may assume...Howver, if all goes well, I say run him in the heats on the 2nd leg where folks are considering and watch how he runs compared to Steve Mullings...If he's impressive, then I say keep him and then run the final Frater :arrow: Blake :arrow: Usain :arrow: Asafa

However, as far as the female team goes, I WOULD NOT put Sherone on the team, I'm sorry, Sherone has done nothing to show she's ready to run at WC's, and also, SHE DID NOT QUALIFY for the team... Whatever post trials run she's done, shows she's getting back into shape, plus her better time was W/A...Aleen has been a staple on 3rd before, and while she may not be running sub 10s, she will get that baton around to Ver, who I think will be on anchor... If Aleen doesn't run, have you forgotten Brooks??? While I don't agree with the circumstances surrounding how she was cleared, she did earn her spot, and would more than likely , be a better leg than Aleen... Facey is another choice, and is at least a competent replacement, she may not be as good as an in shape Sherone, but hey, even an in shape Simpson doesn't guarantee the baton getting around, hello, do you remember Beijing...

My top pick for the women would be:
Shelly :arrow: Sherri-Ann :arrow: Kerron :arrow: Ver

B pick would be:
Shelly :arrow: Kerron :arrow: Aleen/Sherri-Ann :arrow: Ver

i just said Sherone ran a 11.12 last week. can you read? that is faster than any time Bailey or Facey has run this year..

Firstly Sherone's time was wind aided and secondly Bailey ran afaster time earlier in the season. I admit though that Aleen doesn't look her best in the least. I think the best bet would be Brooks seeing that her best time this year is:
11.16 -1.5 Sheri-Ann Brooks JAM 11/02/1983 3 Kingston (NS), JAM 27/06/2009
Note the wind, converting that to zero wind and you get a 11.0x easily.

This is Simpson's time:
11.12 2.6 Sherone Simpson JAM 12/08/1984 2 bochum 02/08/2009

Sherone's time was barely over the legal limit.. point is that she is a far better sprinter than the others when sound.. that was only her 3rd race this year.. and already it's better than the others, including Brooks, who have been healthy all year..

if this exact situation were presented with Bolt coming off surgery, he would be running.. they would be breaking those "rules" to get him in the individual races too..

People forget that Sherone was #1 in '06 and had been running injured, and in need of surgery, for two years straight.. yet still managed an Olympic silver..

at her best she can still be #1 again.. if the surgery fully corrected the problem..[/quote:ezg87z5t]

I am a big Sherone Suimpson fan, and second to SAF she is my favorite Jamaican sprinter.... but seriously.... this is ONE RACE. And 0.6 over the legal limit is still OVER the legal limit. Imagine Brooks in that SAME race with thet SAME wind... Do you really think that Simpson would beat Brooks right now? Simpson knew very well what she was getting into when she ran at trials and could have opted out of it and went the route of the medical exemption. What if they replace her with Brooks and Simpson gets SMOKED by Felix on the curve. At least with Brook syou are assured of a 11.0x in nil win but with Simpson, if she ready you might get a 11.3x! Worse with Brooks your getting a 11.1x at least.

And with the Bolt thing, as much as they probably would break the rules for him, I personally would be against it for the mere fact that it would be unfair to the other athletes participating.

[TheBlur]

[quote=t_monk][quote=TheBlur]

I'm all for leaving Blake off the relay also, especially if this whole debacle doesn't clear up, this getting off on technicality is a little too suspect for me, not in the way some may assume...Howver, if all goes well, I say run him in the heats on the 2nd leg where folks are considering and watch how he runs compared to Steve Mullings...If he's impressive, then I say keep him and then run the final Frater :arrow: Blake :arrow: Usain :arrow: Asafa

However, as far as the female team goes, I WOULD NOT put Sherone on the team, I'm sorry, Sherone has done nothing to show she's ready to run at WC's, and also, SHE DID NOT QUALIFY for the team... Whatever post trials run she's done, shows she's getting back into shape, plus her better time was W/A...Aleen has been a staple on 3rd before, and while she may not be running sub 10s, she will get that baton around to Ver, who I think will be on anchor... If Aleen doesn't run, have you forgotten Brooks??? While I don't agree with the circumstances surrounding how she was cleared, she did earn her spot, and would more than likely , be a better leg than Aleen... Facey is another choice, and is at least a competent replacement, she may not be as good as an in shape Sherone, but hey, even an in shape Simpson doesn't guarantee the baton getting around, hello, do you remember Beijing...

My top pick for the women would be:
Shelly :arrow: Sherri-Ann :arrow: Kerron :arrow: Ver

B pick would be:
Shelly :arrow: Kerron :arrow: Aleen/Sherri-Ann :arrow: Ver

i just said Sherone ran a 11.12 last week. can you read? that is faster than any time Bailey or Facey has run this year..

Firstly Sherone's time was wind aided and secondly Bailey ran afaster time earlier in the season. I admit though that Aleen doesn't look her best in the least. I think the best bet would be Brooks seeing that her best time this year is:
11.16 -1.5 Sheri-Ann Brooks JAM 11/02/1983 3 Kingston (NS), JAM 27/06/2009
Note the wind, converting that to zero wind and you get a 11.0x easily.

This is Simpson's time:
11.12 2.6 Sherone Simpson JAM 12/08/1984 2 bochum 02/08/2009

Sherone's time was barely over the legal limit.. point is that she is a far better sprinter than the others when sound.. that was only her 3rd race this year.. and already it's better than the others, including Brooks, who have been healthy all year..

if this exact situation were presented with Bolt coming off surgery, he would be running.. they would be breaking those "rules" to get him in the individual races too..

People forget that Sherone was #1 in '06 and had been running injured, and in need of surgery, for two years straight.. yet still managed an Olympic silver..

at her best she can still be #1 again.. if the surgery fully corrected the problem..[/quote:2e70kn58]

I am a big Sherone Suimpson fan, and second to SAF she is my favorite Jamaican sprinter.... but seriously.... this is ONE RACE. And 0.6 over the legal limit is still OVER the legal limit. Imagine Brooks in that SAME race with thet SAME wind... Do you really think that Simpson would beat Brooks right now? Simpson knew very well what she was getting into when she ran at trials and could have opted out of it and went the route of the medical exemption. What if they replace her with Brooks and Simpson gets SMOKED by Felix on the curve. At least with Brook syou are assured of a 11.0x in nil win but with Simpson, if she ready you might get a 11.3x! Worse with Brooks your getting a 11.1x at least.

And with the Bolt thing, as much as they probably would break the rules for him, I personally would be against it for the mere fact that it would be unfair to the other athletes participating.[/quote:2e70kn58]

to answer your question, yes, Sherone would probably beat Brooks right now. Brooks ain't running blazing fast.. Sherone would run 2nd leg.. Felix can't beat her in 100 metres..
if Brooks didn't have the tainted test, i would say stay with the rules.. but this dilemma give an opening..

Sherone ran and didn't take that exemption because she does not like to make excuses.. just like when Stewart blew the relay, she never pointed fingers and even unfairly accepted half the blame even though it was 100% Stewart's fault..

[TheBlur]

my whole point was that with Brooks you taking a chance of criticism that she failed the test and is running on the team.. so i think she should be replaced on those grounds... and who is best to replace her right now.. Bailey, Facey or Sherone... it's Sherone easy..