Footspeed Really isn't all
I find it interesting that some folks have gone as far as predicting specific times for the women 4x100m relay. I remember in 1988 when Flo Jo was running 10.5's and Evelyn low 10.8's and still came up with a time of 41.97 for the win; in addition, Evelyn had to run down Gohr for a close finish...
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Originally posted by TrainerPhilOriginally posted by justblaze1011
SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! did any of you watch the 2004 men's 4x100m finals or was it just me???
When will you people learn that footspeed isn't the key factor in winning this event??? I mean damn!!!
Where is point 1?
2. Veronica isn't running like the Veronica of last season...are we blind here??
[quote:376ojcyc]3. Kerron has ran ONE fast time. She has shown nothing else...mainly because of her injury. No one knows if she's been able to train full speed or if she's been training with caution.
All of her legal times this season as follows:
10.75 (+0.4)
10.92 (+1.2)
10.93 (-1.5)
10.93 (+1,3)
10.99 (+0.1)
10.99 (+0.2)
That's 6 times under 11 this season. Jeter has done it 3 times, with her fastest being 10.92.
Any one that think that this race is going to be a blowout needs to take step back and hop off the joint, becausee it clouding your "insight" and I use that word very loose!!!
Not a blowout, but I'm confortable predicting that Jamaica will win in record time.[/quote:376ojcyc]
AFTER she ran that 10.75 what has she don't??? Her running 10.9 isn't nothing new because she's done it in previous years.
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Originally posted by TrainerPhilOriginally posted by SpeedfirstAllyson will more than hold her own against Stewart, granted Stewart runs 2nd leg. Allyson has been working on speed, things are falling into place just nicely for her. Her running start, 200m work which helps sustain her speed in this relay is a plus for her. I truly love the rest of the runners abilities as well and U.S. chances in this event and again that world record will be threaten
SAF-Brooks/Facey/Simpson-Kerron-VCB ?
I think Lauryn has little shot at getting the stick to Felix before the Jams make their 2nd exhange, but I expect Felix to run down whoever is on the 2nd leg for JA. From there I think it is all Jamaican unless Kerron is still not 100%,
History has not shown this IMO.
The most probable lineup I can see for the JAM squad is:
SAF-Kerron-Brooks/Facey/Simpson/Bailey-VCB
Despite "the changing of the guard" for lack of a better phrase I'd be hard pressed to figure out who will convince VCB to give up her anchor leg position. It just isn't going to happen from what I can tell.
Do I think that is the best lineup? No. But that seems to be what they've shown a penchant to run. Despite her amazing start in the open 100 SAF is not the game changer some make her out to be on the 1st leg of the 4x1.
Kerron and Allyson is a wash if both healthy....if Kerron is not 100% that puts them at a huge disadvantage IMO. Kerron's health status (her foot) is yet another reason why I don't see her running 3rd. Running the curve couldn't be good for her foot.
Muna or Marshevet will eat Brooks/Facey/Simpson/Bailey alive on 3rd and then it's a mad dash for the finish between Jeter and VCB.
I'll take the U.S. squad...for the win and the WR.
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Phil, are you sure about Jeter? I thought that she had some good 10.9s plus wind-aided 10.7s. Certainly those would yield a similar number of sub-11s (don't know how many it adds to Kerron).
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Originally posted by justblaze1011
SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! did any of you watch the 2004 men's 4x100m finals or was it just me???
When will you people learn that footspeed isn't the key factor in winning this event??? I mean damn!!!
Where is point 1?
2. Veronica isn't running like the Veronica of last season...are we blind here??
3. Kerron has ran ONE fast time. She has shown nothing else...mainly because of her injury. No one knows if she's been able to train full speed or if she's been training with caution.
All of her legal times this season as follows:
10.75 (+0.4)
10.92 (+1.2)
10.93 (-1.5)
10.93 (+1,3)
10.99 (+0.1)
10.99 (+0.2)
That's 6 times under 11 this season. Jeter has done it 3 times, with her fastest being 10.92.
Any one that think that this race is going to be a blowout needs to take step back and hop off the joint, becausee it clouding your "insight" and I use that word very loose!!!
Not a blowout, but I'm confortable predicting that Jamaica will win in record time.
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Originally posted by TrainerPhilOriginally posted by TrackDaddyWhen I said a week or so ago that the US women CAN WIN guruoftrack and few others balked based on open 100m times.
I was told that the US women don't have the foospeed to compete with JA.
Jokers quiet now.
When will you people learn that footspeed isn't the key factor in winning this event??? I mean damn!!!
2. Veronica isn't running like the Veronica of last season...are we blind here??
3. Kerron has ran ONE fast time. She has shown nothing else...mainly because of her injury. No one knows if she's been able to train full speed or if she's been training with caution.
Any one that think that this race is going to be a blowout needs to take step back and hop off the joint, becausee it clouding your "insight" and I use that word very loose!!!
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There are always lots of ifs, whatevers, and whereases, associated with the relays, particularly the 4 x 100 m.
But here is my best guess-timate, and the "if" is spelled Muna Lee.
Other things being equal, and assuming reasonable passing by all,
I say that if Muna is back to top speed and health, and runs the corner as she did in the 200 final in Eugene, then the USA will be very tough to beat. I wouldn't bet the farm, but I see them as a slight favourite, going in. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.... (for now)...
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Originally posted by TrainerPhilOriginally posted by TrackDaddyHooker looked good.
Muna got the stick first on 3rd leg but the exchange to anchor was simultaneous.
After watching the video I see the real difference in the result being first leg and anchor, IMO. Lauryn chewed up first and Jeter crushed the anchor.
If Muna by chance isnt health, we may not miss a beat with Hooker based on what I saw here.
Felix looked good on second, but Alex the Great was effective too.
The real difference in the two US teams that ran came when Jeter separated on anchor.
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Originally posted by TrackDaddyHooker looked good.
Muna got the stick first on 3rd leg but the exchange to anchor was simultaneous.
After watching the video I see the real difference in the result being first leg and anchor, IMO. Lauryn chewed up first and Jeter crushed the anchor.
If Muna by chance isnt health, we may not miss a beat with Hooker based on what I saw here.
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Hooker looked good.
Muna got the stick first on 3rd leg but the exchange to anchor was simultaneous.
After watching the video I see the real difference in the result being first leg and anchor, IMO. Lauryn chewed up first and Jeter crushed the anchor.
If Muna by chance isnt health, we may not miss a beat with Hooker based on what I saw here.
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Originally posted by TrainerPhilOriginally posted by SpeedfirstAllyson will more than hold her own against Stewart, granted Stewart runs 2nd leg. Allyson has been working on speed, things are falling into place just nicely for her. Her running start, 200m work which helps sustain her speed in this relay is a plus for her. I truly love the rest of the runners abilities as well and U.S. chances in this event and again that world record will be threaten
SAF-Brooks/Facey/Simpson-Kerron-VCB ?
I think Lauryn has little shot at getting the stick to Felix before the Jams make their 2nd exhange, but I expect Felix to run down whoever is on the 2nd leg for JA. From there I think it is all Jamaican unless Kerron is still not 100%,
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Originally posted by SpeedfirstAllyson will more than hold her own against Stewart, granted Stewart runs 2nd leg. Allyson has been working on speed, things are falling into place just nicely for her. Her running start, 200m work which helps sustain her speed in this relay is a plus for her. I truly love the rest of the runners abilities as well and U.S. chances in this event and again that world record will be threaten
SAF-Brooks/Facey/Simpson-Kerron-VCB ?
I think Lauryn has little shot at getting the stick to Felix before the Jams make their 2nd exhange, but I expect Felix to run down whoever is on the 2nd leg for JA. From there I think it is all Jamaican unless Kerron is still not 100%,
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Originally posted by jamstarOriginally posted by DrewsunOriginally posted by SpeedfirstOriginally posted by DrewsunI don't know why this performance is such a surprise to some folks, with reasonable passes it's in line with what I'd expect given the current form of the American sprinters. Take for example the 2004 Jamaican team which had at the time.
VCB in 10.9 form
Simpson in just under 11.1 form
Bailey in just under 11.1 form
Lawrence in just under 11.2 form (generous perhaps)
That team, with mediocre passes ran about 2 tenths slower than the Americans did today with what sounds like slightly better passes, today's Jamaican team will look like (barring injury etc): -
VCB in 10.9 or around 11.00 shape
Stewart in 10.7 or maybe 10.8 or even 10.9 shape
SAF likely in 10.7 but maybe 10.8 shape
and Books lets say sub 11.2
Seems to me 41.5 won't be that big of a deal for them, probably more like 41.4 or 41.3 to be honest. The key is, can they get the stick around fairly efficiently?
All in all, nobody should be surprised by the excellent performancte of the Americans but if the script holds, this won't be nearly enough.
Just my 2 cents
1. I expect Brooks vs Williams on start, given current form not much between them but advantage Americans I say.
2. On second, Stewart vs Felix, clear advantage to the Jamaicans if Stewart is ok, she has blinding speed and is accustomed to the left hand carry on backstretch so the Jamaican's reach the 3rd leg first (but only just).
3. Third leg VCB vs Lee, even in less the stellar form VCB's work on the turn is legendary (2 Olympic Golds) not much of a contest here, the Jamaicans begin to pull away.
4. Anchor sees SAF vs Jeter, it hardly seems fair especially since the Jamaican already has a lead. So the Jamaican's put it away, world record perhaps? The American's run faster than they did today but the Jamaicans have the speed to get the job done.
My 2 cents, any takers?
P.S. I really love this American team, definitley the best lineup possible I think.[/quote
Sorry but u got the match ups wrong shelly ann fraser will not be anchoring the jamaican team she will be starting no question asked.. brooks if they have her run would be on the second leg ..... 3rd and 4th leg haven't been cemented yet but it would make sense to put veronica on the third leg cuz she is a curve runner and have kerron take it home. Its the same result just a different order tho
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Originally posted by TrackDaddyWhen I said a week or so ago that the US women CAN WIN guruoftrack and few others balked based on open 100m times.
I was told that the US women don't have the foospeed to compete with JA.
Jokers quiet now.
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This thread was quite entertaining until the name calling became too personal. I was enjoying the banter early on by Blaze, Speed, Blur and others until someone couldn't handle it (Blur).... Oh well off to another thread.
PS. I think the race will close if the Amercans can produce great hand-offs and the Jamaicans don't run out of their zones. I expect a fast time assuming they observe rule 101 and don't drop the baton.
prediction:
1st 41.24 JAM
2nd 41.39 USA
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